Bouchard would have been much, much better if not for injuries.

By the time he was 25, Bouchard already had 4 seasons above, of on pace for more than 50 points... including a 60+ point season. Turris has 1 50+ point season(his only season over 40 points).

Turris also has the same amount of impressive seasons as LeClaire.... 1.

And while it'd be nice if Couturier put up more points, he's already better defensively than Turris, and most NHLers will likely ever be.... and at 21, he's put up a 39 point season. What was Turris doing at that age? How old was he when he first passed that number, or was on pace to?
- Feeling Glucky?

Bouchard was good, I'll give you that....shame what happened to his career.

Couturier isn't much different than KT defensively. but he is much younger, so he could very easily become better - no arguing that.

How about he does it twice? That would satisfy me. I guess I don't see how one very good season makes a true top-line centre. I could be convinced, though.

Elite, no, sorry - if you're on board with Spats on that front, I haven't got anything to say to you.
- Mr_Clean

Jesus no, Elite is elite. he's done nothing to justify that label.

So let's establish some ground rules for the upcoming season, see if we can get a consensus - if Kyle Turris goes out next year and:

-finishes with more than 60 points
-has the top qualcomp numbers on the sens
-has a positive goal differential and corsi rating

Can we then all agree at least that he is a top liner in the NHL?

Jesus no, Elite is elite. he's done nothing to justify that label.

So let's establish some ground rules for the upcoming season, see if we can get a consensus - if Kyle Turris goes out next year and:

-finishes with more than 60 points
-has the top qualcomp numbers on the sens
-has a positive goal differential and corsi rating

Can we then all agree at least that he is a top liner in the NHL?
- TommyDeVito

i can agree with that

hes definitely top 6...and hes fringe top 3 right now

I was trying to be generous

My point was, even being generous, the argument looks bad.
- Mr_Clean

well, you are correct - the purpose of my comment was to see if we could get over 400 posts ...... and Bingo!

qualcomp isn't a measure of how good a player is, it's a measure of the situation the coach is using him in... and just because a coach uses a guy in a top role, doesn't mean he fits that role. Case in point, Bozak with the Leafs... and previously, Stajan(who had a couple of good offensive seasons while being our top defensive forward)

Jesus no, Elite is elite. he's done nothing to justify that label.

So let's establish some ground rules for the upcoming season, see if we can get a consensus - if Kyle Turris goes out next year and:

-finishes with more than 60 points
-has the top qualcomp numbers on the sens
-has a positive goal differential and corsi rating

Can we then all agree at least that he is a top liner in the NHL?
- TommyDeVito

Yes, then I'll agree for sure.

I just want to avoid falling into the Mikhail Grabovski trap (guy has great chemistry with MacArthur, puts up solid numbers one year then declines somewhat - misapplication of his talents was part of it.)

Grabo was sort of a douchebag, though - KT is playing for the big money deal in a couple years.

Yes, then I'll agree for sure.

I just want to avoid falling into the Mikhail Grabovski trap (guy has great chemistry with MacArthur, puts up solid numbers one year then declines somewhat - misapplication of his talents was part of it.)
- Mr_Clean

If you're hoping for a contender, Turris, like Bozak, shouldn't be the #1 C.

He should be the #2, with a guy like Zibanejad moving ahead of him.

He's a guy who can play against top competition if he has to... but would be better off playing against secondary defensive units.

If you're hoping for a contender, Turris, like Bozak, shouldn't be the #1 C.

He should be the #2, with a guy like Zibanejad moving ahead of him.

He's a guy who can play against top competition if he has to... but would be better off playing against secondary defensive units.
- Feeling Glucky?

that seems to be what the Org is hoping for i think...i think they can both be a 1a-b for now...or really 2a and 2b for the time being while zibby matures and gets more playing time...have no real top line and have the top 6 kind of split and all be threats to score...hopefully at least

that seems to be what the Org is hoping for i think...i think they can both be a 1a-b for now...or really 2a and 2b for the time being while zibby matures and gets more playing time...have no real top line and have the top 6 kind of split and all be threats to score...hopefully at least
- TheMike12

Turris isn't a bad player by any means. But this is what should be expected of him. 2nd liner. None of this spasto foolishness.

Just because a player can play a top line role, doesn't mean they are a top liner, or should be counted on in the long haul.

Yes, you'd be disappointed if it didn't happen. Sorry if I was unclear.

Turris was 53rd in league scoring last year (24th amongst centres) and you wouldn't be willing to trade Nylander for him because you think his value is higher. Thus, the expectation is that Nylander would not have met expectations if he didn't finish in the top-50 of scoring.
- Mr_Clean

I don't want to trade a guy that maybe could be better than a 2nd liner that was just drafted 2 months ago for a 2nd liner and you can't understand that?

I think it's a long shot Nylander ends up being a better NHL'r than Turris. only time will tell.

The ONLY player I'd trade stright up for Kyle Turris on the Leafs would be Phil Kessel... Maybe JVR, but Turris is a Center & has one of the best contracts in the league $$$ for preformance wise.
- Erik6Karlsson5

Ok


Irregardless of what you think of overhyped Turris (only maybe trade him for kessel and maybe jvr) the leafs wouldn't even entertain those offers, and you can add Reilly, Bernier, gardiner, nylander and a handful of other prospects.


We're talking about Turris, a 2nd liner.

Sometimes people actually have to work at being disoriented. By your logic Malkin as the second line center is inferior, so is Bergeron who centers the second unit in Boston. Turris is an elite talent. He is the kind of player that helps teams win championships. Did you know that Messier was a second line center? Do you guys never think about how the game is played? A guy like Bergeron is a superb talent because he shuts down the opposing teams best player night after night.
- spatso

I expect Toronto & Ottawa to be close in the East standings in 2014/2015.

that being said, when we are ready to really contend for a deap playoff run, i think we have the upper hand on T.O, as we have like $15 mill more cap space then them & they have a couple long term not so great contracts. ie Clarkson & Phaneuf.
- Erik6Karlsson5

Are you kidding me? The Sens have the lowest budget in the entire NHL. what makes you think Melnyk will spend anywhere close to the cap?

Having Melnyk as the owner is much more crippling to the Sens cap than Clarkson's contract is to the Leafs.

What is with all the Turris hype. What am I missing here? Kadri is better and all he does is get poop on.

What is with all the Turris hype. What am I missing here? Kadri is better and all he does is get poop on.
- RogerRoeper

Truth.


But hey Turris is Bergeron.

Truth.


But hey Turris is Bergeron.
- burn

Kadri sux ,and Turris is more like Toews than bergerion

Kadri is indeed better than Turris. I have no idea why Sens fans are overrating him.

Kadri sux ,and Turris is more like Toews than bergerion

- top shelf 15

And pageau is more like Claude thanks Alexandre!

Kadri is indeed better than Turris. I have no idea why Sens fans are overrating him.
- RogerRoeper

And Kessel is the best player in the world, who has lead his team to one half season playoff appearance which ended in one of the biggest collapses ever.