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SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 2 @ 9:57 AM ET
Perhaps they can be. Until they actually do it, I'll have doubts.

You seem to feel that a team that has struggled with two way play can flip a switch and be better because the coach said he wants it to improve, yet say an individual like Mason has to show it for an extended period. Seems a bit unrealistic.

- Jsaquella


I hope that's how I seem, except Mason was terrible in Columbus for 4 or 5 years. This is why this season for Mason is so important. He had one season where he was able to have a fresh start, play well, now I'm hoping he doesn't get too comfortable all over again.

Moving forward we're just finishing our offseason where our new GM and Coach had to reevaluate the team. Now we're heading into a training camp that our current Coach wasn't running one year ago. Beyond Training camp, we'll be heading into a full season where vets like LeCavalier, Streit, Emery and MacDonald will now be more familiar with this team.

Even a rookie Coach such as Patrick Roy was able to turn around the Aves, who haven't been very good in a while. At least he had a training camp with that team though.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Sep 2 @ 9:58 AM ET


in which game did mason get his assist last season ?
SuperSchennBros
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Sep 2 @ 9:58 AM ET
They certainly can improve defensively and I think they will. However, due to mobility/durability issues, if Mason was lost for the season, and Emery forced to start 50+ games, I'd be willing to bet that they would end up in the lottery.
- BiggE

I don't know, maybe I over value the idea of a trade.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 2 @ 9:59 AM ET
There is also no indication that Emery could not come in and carry the load. In fact a key point that you've either overlooked, or omitted, is how Emery stepped in to a high pressure situation in the playoffs, and played admirably and gave the team a chance to win.
- MJL


Emery was bad in two of the three playoff games he played in and the Rangers took full advantage of his lack of mobility. That's why his SV% was .888, compared to .939 for Mason.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&status=&viewName=summary
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Sep 2 @ 10:05 AM ET
Mase
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Sep 2 @ 10:06 AM ET
in which game did mason get his assist last season ?
- -davies-



anyone ?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Sep 2 @ 10:07 AM ET
Would anyone be inerestd inseeing if Alfredsson would come in on a tryout or maybe one year deal. I know he said it was redwings or retirement but I get the sense he wants to play one more year and I am not ure if detriot will have space. I know he is't the same player but stillcould be worht the shot on one year. We talk about missing Jagr's pressence, maybe Alfie could bring some of that. Just creating conversation.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 2 @ 10:13 AM ET
I hope that's how I seem, except Mason was terrible in Columbus for 4 or 5 years. This is why this season for Mason is so important. He had one season where he was able to have a fresh start, play well, now I'm hoping he doesn't get too comfortable all over again.

Moving forward we're just finishing our offseason where our new GM and Coach had to reevaluate the team. Now we're heading into a training camp that our current Coach wasn't running one year ago. Beyond Training camp, we'll be heading into a full season where vets like LeCavalier, Streit, Emery and MacDonald will now be more familiar with this team.

Even a rookie Coach such as Patrick Roy was able to turn around the Aves, who haven't been very good in a while. At least he had a training camp with that team though.

- SuperSchennBros


Again, it's possible, but not proven.

Seems like some people are demanding proof out of Mason that last year wasn't a fluke, but have full faith that Berube will fix all the team's issues because he has a camp to work with.

Having doubts doesn't mean I feel it's impossible. It just means I'm not sold. I'm not 100% sold on Mason, either, but from all indications he's fixed the biggest issues he had as a Blue Jacket which were conditioning, coachability and maturity.

Mason shows up early for practice, works his tail off to be in top shape and has a very good rapport with his goalie coach. He's still got work to do, but he's shown an ability to adapt his game and how he handles things, much like Emery showed he can be a good teammate and positive influence after getting dumped by Ottawa.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Sep 2 @ 10:14 AM ET
Would anyone be inerestd inseeing if Alfredsson would come in on a tryout or maybe one year deal. I know he said it was redwings or retirement but I get the sense he wants to play one more year and I am not ure if detriot will have space. I know he is't the same player but stillcould be worht the shot on one year. We talk about missing Jagr's pressence, maybe Alfie could bring some of that. Just creating conversation.
- J35Bacher


I don't think he wants to play so badly that the Flyers would be able to fit him under the cap.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 2 @ 10:15 AM ET
anyone ?
- -davies-


April 6th, vs Buffalo. Goal by Lecavalier, other assist went to Voracek
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
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Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 2 @ 10:17 AM ET
Emery was bad in two of the three playoff games he played in and the Rangers took full advantage of his lack of mobility. That's why his SV% was .888, compared to .939 for Mason.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&status=&viewName=summary

- Feanor


If Mason gets hurt, there's always...



Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 2 @ 10:17 AM ET
Would anyone be inerestd inseeing if Alfredsson would come in on a tryout or maybe one year deal. I know he said it was redwings or retirement but I get the sense he wants to play one more year and I am not ure if detriot will have space. I know he is't the same player but stillcould be worht the shot on one year. We talk about missing Jagr's pressence, maybe Alfie could bring some of that. Just creating conversation.
- J35Bacher


Not sure about his health. Last summer, I'd have said yes. Now, they have a lot of kids they are trying to work in, plus they're already going to have to play a center at wing, I don;t see a fit.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 2 @ 10:18 AM ET
If Mason gets hurt, there's always...




- Tomahawk


Yeah, with Minnesota getting both Harding and Backstrom back...
SuperSchennBros
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Sep 2 @ 10:22 AM ET
Again, it's possible, but not proven.

Seems like some people are demanding proof out of Mason that last year wasn't a fluke, but have full faith that Berube will fix all the team's issues because he has a camp to work with.

Having doubts doesn't mean I feel it's impossible. It just means I'm not sold. I'm not 100% sold on Mason, either, but from all indications he's fixed the biggest issues he had as a Blue Jacket which were conditioning, coachability and maturity.

Mason shows up early for practice, works his tail off to be in top shape and has a very good rapport with his goalie coach. He's still got work to do, but he's shown an ability to adapt his game and how he handles things, much like Emery showed he can be a good teammate and positive influence after getting dumped by Ottawa.

- Jsaquella


Yes but Mason also was traded from Columbus in the middle of a half season where he was bad, then magically was good on his new team.

I'll say again, I don't think it's even close in comparing what Giroux means to this team and what Mason means to this team.

I look at what it took to get Bishop to Tampa, Halak to the Islanders, Bernier to Toronto and Mason to Philly, and I think replacing Mason for a season wouldn't be that complicated. There would be some complications but I do think Emery could hold his own and I do think Mason is replaceable. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if all the James Reimer rumours were true. With Giroux, it's a lot different. You can't just call the Pens and expect to get Crosby or Malkin in return at a bargain price. Or ask for Stamkos, Toews or Datsyuk from there team's without giving away the farm.

Short term I'm fine with Emery. Perfectly fine with Emery. Long term, get anther Mason. With Giroux, you can't.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 2 @ 10:26 AM ET
Yes but Mason also was traded from Columbus in the middle of a half season where he was bad, then magically was good on his new team.

I'll say again, I don't think it's even close in comparing what Giroux means to this team and what Mason means to this team.

I look at what it took to get Bishop to Tampa, Halak to the Islanders, Bernier to Toronto and Mason to Philly, and I think replacing Mason for a season wouldn't be that complicated. There would be some complications but I do think Emery could hold his own and I do think Mason is replaceable. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if all the James Reimer rumours were true. With Giroux, it's a lot different. You can't just call the Pens and expect to get Crosby or Malkin in return at a bargain price. Or ask for Stamkos, Toews or Datsyuk from there team's without giving away the farm.

Short term I'm fine with Emery. Perfectly fine with Emery. Long term, get anther Mason. With Giroux, you can't.

- SuperSchennBros


No doubt that Giroux is the most important player on the club, however replacing a quality starting goalie is not as easy as it sounds, especially when other teams know you are desperate to do so.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 2 @ 10:28 AM ET
If Mason gets hurt, there's always...




- Tomahawk


That guy is just living the dream.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
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Sep 2 @ 10:28 AM ET
April 6th, vs Buffalo. Goal by Lecavalier, other assist went to Voracek
- Jsaquella



thanks, i was curious if it happened under lavi or berube
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
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Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 2 @ 10:31 AM ET
No doubt that Giroux is the most important player on the club, however replacing a quality starting goalie is not as easy as it sounds, especially when other teams know you are desperate to do so.
- BiggE


If they had the cap space (of if Mase was out the year), there would definitely be ready replacements out there -- there are more starting-caliber guys than there are jobs. For example, Cam Ward could probably be had for a song.

But yeah... all things considered, losing Mason for a large chunk of the season would likely be devastating under present constraints.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Sep 2 @ 10:32 AM ET
thanks, i was curious if it happened under lavi or berube
- -davies-



Did anything good happen in the 3 games Lavi coached last year?
PhiFaninEdm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 11.21.2011

Sep 2 @ 10:35 AM ET
Did anything good happen in the 3 games Lavi coached last year?

- Doc_Sarcasm


It cued the anger in Emery to eventually snap on Holtby to turn the Flyers season around. But other than that, not much
PhiFaninEdm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 11.21.2011

Sep 2 @ 10:36 AM ET
I think Mason scores a goal this season.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 2 @ 10:42 AM ET
If they had the cap space (of if Mase was out the year), there would definitely be ready replacements out there -- there are more starting-caliber guys than there are jobs. For example, Cam Ward could probably be had for a song.
- Tomahawk


I'd rather go for Budaj. Ward still has two years left at $6.3 million.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Sep 2 @ 10:43 AM ET
I think Mason scores a goal this season.
- PhiFaninEdm

That'd be neat
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 2 @ 10:49 AM ET
Perhaps they can be. Until they actually do it, I'll have doubts. Not saying they can't do it, but they haven't shown it yet.

You seem to feel that a team that has struggled with two way play can flip a switch and be better because the coach said he wants it to improve, yet say an individual like Mason has to show it for an extended period. Seems a bit unrealistic.

- Jsaquella



This mis-characterizes the posters thoughts and what he seems to feel, based on asking a simple question of why can't the Flyers get better defensively.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 2 @ 10:51 AM ET
I'd rather go for Budaj. Ward still has two years left at $6.3 million.
- Feanor


Yeah, only if cap space was no object. Hard to argue that he's not the best out of the group of available guys that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to acquire: Fatso, TT, Bryz, and Backstrom being the others.

Hockey-wise, Reimer would be my first choice, but I'm not keen on parting with a high pick for him.
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