You say this like the Kings are some high water mark. Only 5 teams scored less than the Kings did.

A correlation between them being champs and them scoring a high number of goals doesn't exist.
- stashu

Which was still 49 more goals than what we put. Im drawing a comparison to how far our offence would have to go to reach that mark. Best case scenario we're still bottom 5 in scoring and more importantly we don't have the lineup the kings have.

But a lot of projections here have this team with 6 20+ goal scorers (Ennis, Hodgson, Moulson,Stewart,Stafford,Gionta). how many teams in the league actually had that many and I'm guessing they were all probably contenders.

I also can't recall a time where a team made that drastic of a turn around in goals for.

my predictions for the season
ennis-23
moulson-25
hodgson-22
staff-20

i was reading eks thread and havent laughed that hard in a long time

my predictions for the season
ennis-23
moulson-25
hodgson-22
staff-20

i was reading eks thread and havent laughed that hard in a long time
- gerbe42

Moulson is going to be an interesting guy to watch this year in terms of who his linemates are. My instincts tell me that they should put him with Reinhart. Reinhart seems to be better suited to be a set up guy, not a goal scorer. So I would think that putting him with Moulson would be the best option.

Moulson is going to be an interesting guy to watch this year in terms of who his linemates are. My instincts tell me that they should put him with Reinhart. Reinhart seems to be better suited to be a set up guy, not a goal scorer. So I would think that putting him with Moulson would be the best option.
- HonkFortheGoose

Reinhart will not be after 9 games.

via the always entertaining HB user hankthetank



Eklund:
ODE TO LEINO
"Let me say this to the Sabres fans out there...Ville Leino is every bit worth this deal.

He will put up huge numbers in Buffalo.
He is a power play specialist who has had limited PP time on Detroit and Philly.
He is impossible to take the puck from.
He is sly defensively.
He carries the puck and slows the game down around him like few can.
He isn't big, but he shields the puck as well as any player in the NHL over the last several years.
He is a great guy/hockey player to the core.
He loves playing the game and he thrives off of passionate fans.
He has the ability to lift his game to another level in the playoffs.

And mark my words...remember I told you this Sabres fans:
There will be at least one or two moments in every game when Leino does something that simply makes you say, "Wow, did you see that?" -Eklund, 2011

Reinhart will not be after 9 games.
- Maximum Signal

Crystal ball?

via the always entertaining HB user hankthetank



Eklund:
ODE TO LEINO
"Let me say this to the Sabres fans out there...Ville Leino is every bit worth this deal.

He will put up huge numbers in Buffalo.
He is a power play specialist who has had limited PP time on Detroit and Philly.
He is impossible to take the puck from.
He is sly defensively.
He carries the puck and slows the game down around him like few can.
He isn't big, but he shields the puck as well as any player in the NHL over the last several years.
He is a great guy/hockey player to the core.
He loves playing the game and he thrives off of passionate fans.
He has the ability to lift his game to another level in the playoffs.

And mark my words...remember I told you this Sabres fans:
There will be at least one or two moments in every game when Leino does something that simply makes you say, "Wow, did you see that?" -Eklund, 2011
- CaptainRivet

"Lindy Ruff will also be a much better coach for Leino than Laviolette or Babcock have been as well. Lindy will get Leino's game without nearly the kind of convincing that existed in Detroit and Philly."

That bit cracked me up too

Reinhart will not be after 9 games.
- Maximum Signal

And if he does well in those 9 games, why would they send him back?

Crystal ball?
- Sabresfan-365

Not how Murray and Nolan work . Why waste him up here this year . Let him dominate in Juniors and world under 20 juniors . Maybe his team goes on a memorial cup run as well.

And if he does well in those 9 games, why would they send him back?
- HonkFortheGoose

I think they do. When you make moves to make the fans happy . You end up sitting with them.

Not how Murray and Nolan work . Why waste him up here this year . Let him dominate in Juniors and world under 20 juniors . Maybe his team goes on a memorial cup run as well.
- Maximum Signal

Murray has already said that Reinhart has reached his ceiling at the Jr level. If he struggles here for those 9 games, I agree. He'll be sent back. But if he's holding his own, he'll be here. There's no reason for him not to be. It's not a waste of a year. It would be more of a waste of a year for him to go to Jr if he's not going to be able to learn anything there. He'll learn more and develop more here with the strength and conditioning coaches. Even if he's not putting up huge numbers. The NHL season is much more of a grind.

Murray has already said that Reinhart has reached his ceiling at the Jr level. If he struggles here for those 9 games, I agree. He'll be sent back. But if he's holding his own, he'll be here. There's no reason for him not to be. It's not a waste of a year. It would be more of a waste of a year for him to go to Jr if he's not going to be able to learn anything there. He'll learn more and develop more here with the strength and conditioning coaches. Even if he's not putting up huge numbers. The NHL season is much more of a grind.
- HonkFortheGoose

From what I saw at Prospects camp . He could still use more time in junior . That is not a bash on him. Drouin benefitted from going back last season . Got a year bigger and stronger.

Not how Murray and Nolan work . Why waste him up here this year . Let him dominate in Juniors and world under 20 juniors . Maybe his team goes on a memorial cup run as well.
- Maximum Signal

Source?

Moulson is going to be an interesting guy to watch this year in terms of who his linemates are. My instincts tell me that they should put him with Reinhart. Reinhart seems to be better suited to be a set up guy, not a goal scorer. So I would think that putting him with Moulson would be the best option.
- HonkFortheGoose

wouldnt be a bad idea at all really to get reinhart's confidence going. The only stipulation being if he will actually be playing here. Moulson and ennis have the chemistry together so id like to see those two together again

I think they do. When you make moves to make the fans happy . You end up sitting with them.


- Maximum Signal

Regier firing and Nolan hiring

I feel like Grigo needs a full year in Rochester and then to play with some semblance of talent when he gets a chance with Buffalo. Darcy bumbled the fcuk out of that kids career. While he takes responsibility for his own career path in that article, he couldn't control who he played with in the NHL. It was pretty clear Ruff didn't want him on the team but Regiers job was on the line, so he was. I'm totally willing to give him some time, yet im aware that not all of our prospects are going to pan out.
- seedy

Really no need, outside of fan sentiment, to rush him.

Regier firing and Nolan hiring
- Sabresfan-365

Who ever suggested they were hiring Nolan ? That was a shocker .Regier firing was long overdue . Had nothing to due with fans

Source?
- Sabresfan-365

Everything Nolan and Murray have said in their theories in developing talent . Did you watch the development camp ? He is not ready . Why rush him ? Also I see everyone Murray signed . Seems he did not really bank on Reinhart being here.

Really no need, outside of fan sentiment, to rush him.
- nfph

I think a full year in Rochester does him a world of good .

Who ever suggested they were hiring Nolan ? That was a shocker .Regier firing was long overdue . Had nothing to due with fans
- Maximum Signal

it was long overdue, but im guessing the actual firing had something to do with the restlessness of the fans. And I'd bet that hiring former sabres hard working guy teddy nolan is on par with that.

Everything Nolan and Murray have said in their theories in developing talent . Did you watch the development camp ? He is not ready . Why rush him ? Also I see everyone Murray signed . Seems he did not really bank on Reinhart being here.
- Maximum Signal

That's all they are though, theories. How many decisions like this have either of them had to make in their career? Im pretty sure he also said something along the lines of they'll have a chance to earn their spot. Can't imagine Murray would send Reinhart down if he's got 6 points in 9 games and looks like he can keep up at the nhl level.

That's all they are though, theories. How many decisions like this have either of them had to make in their career? Im pretty sure he also said something along the lines of they'll have a chance to earn their spot. Can't imagine Murray would send Reinhart down if he's got 6 points in 9 games and looks like he can keep up at the nhl level.
- Sabresfan-365

Look at the players they have signed . I really think Reinhart goes down for a while . Maybe he is back after World Juniors. TM has already said they would have no problem sending him down. Sure lots of irrational fans will not understand it . But It did not hurt his brother going back to junior . He even got a Memorial cup out of it.

Look at the players they have signed . I really think Reinhart goes down for a while . Maybe he is back after World Juniors. TM has already said they would have no problem sending him down. Sure lots of irrational fans will not understand it . But It did not hurt his brother going back to junior . He even got a Memorial cup out of it.
- Maximum Signal

There's just as much rationale in keeping him as there is in sending him down, thinking otherwise is just close minded.

Im sure he has no problem sending him down and he probably has no problem keeping him up here. It didn't hurt his brother to go back and it didn't hurt Monahan to stay up. Each player is different and each team is different.

Look at the players they have signed . I really think Reinhart goes down for a while . Maybe he is back after World Juniors. TM has already said they would have no problem sending him down. Sure lots of irrational fans will not understand it . But It did not hurt his brother going back to junior . He even got a Memorial cup out of it.
- Maximum Signal

Grigorenko's issue was his skating and compete level which is why he got sent back and forth

Reinhart's issue right now is his size. His skating is fine and his hockey IQ makes up for any little shortfall there. Nobody has ever questioned his compete level and he is much more mature than Grigorenko was. If he fits in fine which I think he will get 15-18 minutes a game playing with vets (not on the 4th line) he will stay. It's pretty simple in my eyes. He can only have 1 point but if he is generating chances and looks like he belongs (something Grigorenko didn't look playing with 4th liners or not) he stays.

IMO a lot of what they do with Reinhart hinges on how other young players preform during camp. They do not want a huge influx of rookies at one time.

IMO they keep Reinhart here initially and see how it goes. I bet Risto starts in the A and is up full time not long after.