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Maximum Signal
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Sep 2 @ 9:31 PM ET
I don't get you either. Do I need to put that what he does in camp is what should determine whether or not they keep him here for at least 9 games in a language other than English? Because I've said it about 20 times now. I even capitalized it and put it in bold about a half hour ago.
- HonkFortheGoose


Did I ever say he would not be here for his 9 games ? Don't put words in my mouth . He is coming to camp . He is playing his exhibition games and his 9 game stint . But if he is not ready . There is no shame in going back to junior. It is not a bad thing if that is what Tim and Ted determine that is what is best . But let Tim and Ted make that determination . All I have been trying to say . It is not a foregone conclusion that he stays . Especially with Mr Murray's and Mr Nolan's philosophies on player development.
Maximum Signal
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Sep 2 @ 9:33 PM ET

- Sabresfan-365


You should try harder.
HonkFortheGoose
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Sep 2 @ 9:35 PM ET
Did I ever say he would not be here for his 9 games ? Don't put words in my mouth . He is coming to camp . He is playing his exhibition games and his 9 game stint . But if he is not ready . There is no shame in going back to junior. It is not a bad thing if that is what Tim and Ted determine that is what is best . But let Tim and Ted make that determination . All I have been trying to say . It is not a foregone conclusion that he stays . Especially with Mr Murray's and Mr Nolan's philosophies on player development.
- Maximum Signal


You're now backtracking on what you were saying earlier. Who else is going to make the determination anyway? Last I checked, Tim and Ted were the two who were essentially running the team.

I never said he would stay and I never said he would go back for sure. I've said all along that it's going to depend primarily on camp. If he doesn't have a good camp, he won't even get 9 games. He has to earn those first. If he does, then we have to see what he can do against a full roster of NHLers.
Tank4McEichel
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Sep 2 @ 9:35 PM ET
I know this is not Sabres talk, but here is the GM of Calgary's stance on Bennett next season. Makes sense for them and makes sense for Buffalo. Everyone says Druin in TB is different then BUF, but the Sabres and flames are at almost the same point.

http://wp.me/p14QU5-9OTa[url]
Sabresfan-365
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Sep 2 @ 9:36 PM ET
You should try harder.
- Maximum Signal



Sabresfan-365
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Sep 2 @ 9:38 PM ET
I know this is not Sabres talk, but here is the GM of Calgary's stance on Bennett next season. Makes sense for them and makes sense for Buffalo. Everyone says Druin in TB is different then BUF, but the Sabres and flames are at almost the same point.

http://wp.me/p14QU5-9OTa

- Tank4McEichel[url]


It's tough, but fair especially if they want him to play centre full time. I bet he and Gaurdreau would look good together though, it's a tough call really.
Maximum Signal
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Sep 2 @ 9:41 PM ET
I know this is not Sabres talk, but here is the GM of Calgary's stance on Bennett next season. Makes sense for them and makes sense for Buffalo. Everyone says Druin in TB is different then BUF, but the Sabres and flames are at almost the same point.

http://wp.me/p14QU5-9OTa

- Tank4McEichel[url]


Makes sense to me . But what do I know . I just don't know what the rush is if he is not 100% ready for the NHL grind . All depends on what Tim and Ted think . Does not mean I do not think the kid is going to great in a few years.
buffalofan19
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Sep 2 @ 9:52 PM ET
I know this is not Sabres talk, but here is the GM of Calgary's stance on Bennett next season. Makes sense for them and makes sense for Buffalo. Everyone says Druin in TB is different then BUF, but the Sabres and flames are at almost the same point.

http://wp.me/p14QU5-9OTa

- Tank4McEichel[url]



The difference here is that the Sabres didn't draft the guy who couldn't do a pull up. The Flames have a guy whose lack of upper body strength has been greatly magnified. The Sabres don't have that problem.
Sabresfan-365
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Sep 2 @ 9:55 PM ET
The difference here is that the Sabres didn't draft the guy who couldn't do a pull up. The Flames have a guy whose lack of upper body strength has been greatly magnified. The Sabres don't have that problem.
- buffalofan19



Wasn't he injured during that session though?
sbroads24
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Sep 2 @ 10:00 PM ET
Wasn't he injured during that session though?
- Sabresfan-365

Yes something conveniently never mentioned.

He had a shoulder issue, and when it healed did pull ups.

Upper body strength means nothing in hockey anyway
Sabresfan-365
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Sep 2 @ 10:05 PM ET
Yes something conveniently never mentioned.

He had a shoulder issue, and when it healed did pull ups.

Upper body strength means nothing in hockey anyway

- sbroads24



I think it matters to an extent but pull ups aren't a very good indicator of true overall upper body strength.

Now if head failed to a single pull up, bench press and plank then he'd have serious problem.
HonkFortheGoose
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Sep 2 @ 10:05 PM ET
Yes something conveniently never mentioned.

He had a shoulder issue, and when it healed did pull ups.

Upper body strength means nothing in hockey anyway

- sbroads24


I disagree. How are you supposed to fight through checks along the boards and protect the puck if you only have strength in your lower body?
sbroads24
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Sep 2 @ 10:07 PM ET
I disagree. How are you supposed to fight through checks along the boards and protect the puck if you only have strength in your lower body?
- HonkFortheGoose

You ever see Pavel Datsyuk? He looks like a twig.

It's obviously better to have some sort of upper body strength, but it's nothing compared to having lower body strength and balance
Maximum Signal
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Sep 2 @ 10:08 PM ET
Yes something conveniently never mentioned.

He had a shoulder issue, and when it healed did pull ups.

Upper body strength means nothing in hockey anyway

- sbroads24


Better tell Zemgus that then . He is lifting like a fool and building his upper body . Kid is becoming a beast . Has he been wasting his time ? We need to fire the strength and conditioning coach.


sbroads24
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Sep 2 @ 10:11 PM ET
Better tell Zemgus that then . He is lifting like a fool and building his upper body . Kid is becoming a beast . Has he been wasting his time ? We need to fire the strength and conditioning coach.



- Maximum Signal

Really??

It's never bad to be strong, but if you can absolutely get away with having a weak upper body in hockey

HonkFortheGoose
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Sep 2 @ 10:12 PM ET
You ever see Pavel Datsyuk? He looks like a twig.

It's obviously better to have some sort of upper body strength, but it's nothing compared to having lower body strength and balance

- sbroads24


Doesn't mean he doesn't have upper body strength. You can be strong without being full of muscles
Maximum Signal
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Sep 2 @ 10:15 PM ET
Really??

It's never bad to be strong, but if you can absolutely get away with having a weak upper body in hockey

- sbroads24


I don't know all these players work out year around now . The game has really evolved . Pavel could be wirey as the say . Just not muscle bound. Never seen him without his shirt on . Not going to try either.
Sabresfan-365
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Sep 2 @ 10:20 PM ET
Doesn't mean he doesn't have upper body strength. You can be strong without being full of muscles
- HonkFortheGoose



Well sort of. He's got a really strong core. It's what makes him so effective at puck protection, battling along the boards and overall balance. It also makes it easier for him to take the big hit and bounce back.

Long story short, he's probably got an incredibly fit upper body and great muscular endurance but I wouldn't go as far as saying he's got great overall upper body strength (in terms of sheer power and like you said full of muscles, particularly the huge biceps and what not).
Maximum Signal
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Sep 2 @ 10:22 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=460873
Otsegolectric
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Sep 2 @ 10:42 PM ET
Why does Garth still have the primo location on HB? Michael has far surpassed Garth in every way possible. Awesome blog dude.

Im full on board with Larsson getting a 3rd line role. Heres how i see the line up taking shape:

Line 1 - Ennis flanked by Stafford and Moulson
Line 2 - Girgensons flanked by Hodgson and Stewart
Line 3 - Foligno Gionta and Larsson
Line 4 - Deslauriers Kaleta and a platoon of McCormick/Mitchell

D1 - Myers/Gorges
D2 - Mezaros/Pysyk
D3 - Benoit/Weber
Extra - Ruhwedal

I don't see how Reinhart Grigorenko Armia crack the top 9. Also wildcard on 4th line is Schaller. Dude fits the mold perfectly and found a scoring touch last year in Roch.
Smittyx36
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Sep 2 @ 10:55 PM ET
IF Sam plays at the same level as are top 9 guys or higher then he should be playing in the NHL. Simple as that. You ice the best lineup. You don't just send him back to the CHL to save a year on his contract or because the season is wash...

If the kid is ready he stays. That's not rushing him...
Buffalo-Sabres
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Sep 2 @ 11:13 PM ET
IF Sam plays at the same level as are top 9 guys or higher then he should be playing in the NHL. Simple as that. You ice the best lineup. You don't just send him back to the CHL to save a year on his contract or because the season is wash...

If the kid is ready he stays. That's not rushing him...

- Smittyx36


I'm good with either decision they make. I trust these guys and I'll be patient If I have to be.
Tank4McEichel
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Sep 2 @ 11:20 PM ET
Why does Garth still have the primo location on HB? Michael has far surpassed Garth in every way possible. Awesome blog dude.

Im full on board with Larsson getting a 3rd line role. Heres how i see the line up taking shape:

Line 1 - Ennis flanked by Stafford and Moulson
Line 2 - Girgensons flanked by Hodgson and Stewart
Line 3 - Foligno Gionta and Larsson
Line 4 - Deslauriers Kaleta and a platoon of McCormick/Mitchell

D1 - Myers/Gorges
D2 - Mezaros/Pysyk
D3 - Benoit/Weber
Extra - Ruhwedal

I don't see how Reinhart Grigorenko Armia crack the top 9. Also wildcard on 4th line is Schaller. Dude fits the mold perfectly and found a scoring touch last year in Roch.

- Otsegolectric


We have a winner! Pysyk and Larsson are the only young guys who are as close to ready as any of them! With the moved that Murray has made this offseason, this lineup possibility seems more likely then most others.

With Reinhart, it seems fans will think he's a flop or something I'd he goes back to junior. I imagine that in general, going back to junior seems like a very common thing with most drafted players. Don't worry, if it does happen, doesn't mean they don't think he's ready. They just want him to grow and keep on learning. Even Jonathon Toews went back to college after he was drafted for a year. No reason to rush the future Captain of the Sabres
HonkFortheGoose
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Sep 2 @ 11:21 PM ET
I'm good with either decision they make. I trust these guys and I'll be patient If I have to be.
- Buffalo-Sabres


I agree. And it's what most of us were saying earlier. Somehow it was getting lost in translation somewhere.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 05.21.2007

Sep 3 @ 12:08 AM ET
You can't even compare. The team was a disaster under Melrose. The purpose of putting guys on the 4th to begin with is to acclimate them. It's not for them to put up a ton of points and dominate the opposition. If that's what people expected Stamkos to do, then shame on them.
- HonkFortheGoose


I don't even know what you're talking about
Top line talents DO NOT play on the 4th line to get acclimated to the NHL
Coaches shelter them by giving them offensive zone starts, or playing them on the wing to alleviate defensive responsibilities
Did MacKinnon play on the 4th line? No
Neither did Barkov, or Monahan, etc etc etc
I could go on & on
Bottom line... Whether on not Reinhart is ready... U won't see him slumming it on the 4th line w Kaleta
And going back to Juniors & getting a little bigger certainly wouldn't hurt

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