in light of the carcillo tryout signing the penguins have changed their team poster:


- PhillaBully

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- BulliesPhan87

well i was challenged lol

How does he know that prospects haven't spoiled in the AHL while not being challenged by NHL play? He doesn't.
- mayorofangrytown

The validity of the statement is not why I put it. That is Hextall's philosophy on player development, so he believes it which means he will probably treat our prospects accordingly.

hockey is good
- BulliesPhan87

hockey is great

The validity of the statement is not why I put it. That is Hextall's philosophy on player development, so he believes it which means he will probably treat our prospects accordingly.
- aflyerpower8

Yeah, I just get tired of hearing it. It's not about you.

I want to see a list of players who were ruined by being rushed into the NHL and proof that they would have succeeded if they went to the AHL instead. When someone shows me that I'll be good to go.

The AHL is different hockey with different coaching and no one can tell me that kids who can play in the show don't go down there and end up floundering and getting lost or passed over in the system. No path is perfect.

Hextall has repeatedly said that if a kid earns his spot he's playing in the NHL. He's never said all the kids are starting with the Phantoms. You'd think that never happened on here some days.

hockey is great
- Streit2ThePoint

Hockey is spectacular

You don't force him into the lineup. You put him in the lineup if he earns the spot, and if he's going to get enough icetime.
- MJL

Thats the issue then. I don't think 10-12 minutes (probably closer to 10) and second unit PK is enough time to justify him being on the roster. Especially when we have multiple people who can play that role with nearly the same effectiveness.

Thats the issue then. I don't think 10-12 minutes (probably closer to 10) and second unit PK is enough time to justify him being on the roster. Especially when we have multiple people who can play that role with nearly the same effectiveness.
- aflyerpower8

I respectfully disagree. Especially in light of the role that Laughton will probably play in the NHL moving forward. Which is most likely 3rd line defensive center.

But again, this all hinges on whether or not he EARNS the ice time at all.

I respectfully disagree. Especially in light of the role that Laughton will probably play in the NHL moving forward. Which is most likely 3rd line defensive center.

But again, this all hinges on whether or not he EARNS the ice time at all.
- MBFlyerfan

I disrespectfully agree







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The validity of the statement is not why I put it. That is Hextall's philosophy on player development, so he believes it which means he will probably treat our prospects accordingly.
- aflyerpower8

He's also said repeatedly when asked where players fit, that the players will decide that, based on their play. And that young players will not be given a spot, but that they have to earn it.

Thats the issue then. I don't think 10-12 minutes (probably closer to 10) and second unit PK is enough time to justify him being on the roster. Especially when we have multiple people who can play that role with nearly the same effectiveness.
- aflyerpower8

I think it is enough. And with the injury to White, who is the 4th line center if it's not Laughton?

I disrespectfully agree







jerk
- BulliesPhan87

Thats the issue then. I don't think 10-12 minutes (probably closer to 10) and second unit PK is enough time to justify him being on the roster. Especially when we have multiple people who can play that role with nearly the same effectiveness.
- aflyerpower8

Like who? White is out hurt, so if Laughton isn't the 4C it means moving Raffl there. I think Raffl can be a good 4C, but then he can't be a winger who fills in throughout the top 9 which is a role he was very good at last season.

Thats the issue then. I don't think 10-12 minutes (probably closer to 10) and second unit PK is enough time to justify him being on the roster. Especially when we have multiple people who can play that role with nearly the same effectiveness.
- aflyerpower8

10-12 NHL minutes, some of it PK, will probably be much more challenging that 16-19 AHL minutes, some of it PP. If he comes into camp and is the best fit for a 4C/3W spot (higher if there are injuries), then he should get it. As much as you don't want to throw a guy into a situation he may struggle with a bit at first, the best players for their roles should be the players placed in those roles for the betterment of the team.

I think it is enough. And with the injury to White, who is the 4th line center if it's not Laughton?
- MJL

Choices are Laughton, Raffl, Umberger, Vinny, and Jones. Assuming Umberger and Vinny play top-9 roles, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

I think it is enough. And with the injury to White, who is the 4th line center if it's not Laughton?
- MJL

Raffl, VandeVelde and Rinaldo can all play that role. Also, White will eventually come back and we have two former 4th line centers in the AHL in Powe and Stortini.

Yeah, I just get tired of hearing it. It's not about you.

I want to see a list of players who were ruined by being rushed into the NHL and proof that they would have succeeded if they went to the AHL instead. When someone shows me that I'll be good to go.

The AHL is different hockey with different coaching and no one can tell me that kids who can play in the show don't go down there and end up floundering and getting lost or passed over in the system. No path is perfect.

Hextall has repeatedly said that if a kid earns his spot he's playing in the NHL. He's never said all the kids are starting with the Phantoms. You'd think that never happened on here some days.
- mayorofangrytown

woot

Raffl, VandeVelde and Rinaldo can all play that role. Also, White will eventually come back and we have two former 4th line centers in the AHL in Powe and Stortini.
- aflyerpower8

The only players you listed who are good enough to be NHL 4th line centers on a full time basis are Raffl and White.

Lecavalier, B Schenn, Coburn, and L Schenn. four guys who are willing, but rarely (if ever) win. I figure the 5th Flyers is tying up Crosby.





- jmatchett383

bump

Raffl, VandeVelde and Rinaldo can all play that role. Also, White will eventually come back and we have two former 4th line centers in the AHL in Powe and Stortini.
- aflyerpower8

Powe is signed to an AHL only contract and is not a candidate to make the team. Vandevelde is not likely going to make the team. Rinaldo is not a center. Jones is a possibility, but not likely. White is hurt. Stortini hasn't played significant NHL games in 3 seasons. Raffl and Laughton are the best candidates. I think they need Raffl for a top 9 spot.

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WARRIOR

If Laughton projects as a good 3rd line center on a team with 2 other good centers, I don't see the problem with him coming in as a 4th and moving up to 3rd over time as he earns it. It's not quite like bringing in a guy who projects as a #1 C into the 4th C role.

i know it has been discussed before but someone refresh me please. .. did richards play 4th line in his first nhl season ?

bump
- aightwebang17

If Laughton projects as a good 3rd line center on a team with 2 other good centers, I don't see the problem with him coming in as a 4th and moving up to 3rd over time as he earns it. It's not quite like bringing in a guy who projects as a #1 C into the 4th C role.
- eayost

Agreed. Let him come in and get acclimated to the pace and physical style of the NHL game, and earn increased time and responsibility through experience. You can keep the player in the AHL as long as you want, but if he's ready for the NHL, you need to put him in at some point.

It's like in Home Alone 2, when that snot-nosed brat said he didn't want to ruin his roller skates by wearing them and then he grew out of them without ever using them. To make the analogy, you don't want to put him in a role where he won't succeed, but if he is ready, then let's get him in as early as possible so we maximize his return (length-wise).