This new learning amazes me Sir Bedevere. Tell me again how sheep bladders can be employed to stop earthquakes.


HAA! edit: Leight
- MBFlyerfan

Leight, but more completely correcter.

Can you quantify that they had the same amount of support?
- MJL

No, but to assume the team is purposely/accidentally giving him a worse level of support than the other defensemen seems farfetched.

No, but to assume the team is purposely/accidentally giving him a worse level of support than the other defensemen seems farfetched.
- aflyerpower8

Wait.. you actually think the rest of the team LIKES A-Mac?

This isnt far fetched at all.. They did the same thing to that top 4 d-man the Flyers had a few years back... What was his name...?? AH, Randy Jones!

And it's also the interpretation of the author posting the video. And in far too many cases, in my opinion, it often shows that the author doesn't know a lot about hockey, and just likes to look at stats.
- MJL

Different people interpret both video and stats in different ways. This is nothing new.

And it works both ways. There's also people who only look at video and don't know a lot about stats.

No, but to assume the team is purposely/accidentally giving him a worse level of support than the other defensemen seems farfetched.
- aflyerpower8

You or I don't know if it's farfetched or not that he's getting less support. There is only one way to know. Every zone entry needs to be looked at individually to see where the cause of the actual breakdown is. Or you can do what the statistic does. Just judge whether the zone entry was successful or not, and if it is, just place the blame on the defenseman who happens to be on that side of the ice. It's a team game, and there are 4 other skaters on the ice. This is just another case that shows the flaws of some analytics. And I guarantee that NHL teams just aren't looking at the raw data. And there are also issues of where the data is coming from.

Different people interpret both video and stats in different ways. This is nothing new.

And it works both ways. There's also people who only look at video and don't know a lot about stats.
- bradleyc4

And there are some that look at video, and know about stats. And also know a lot about the game. Those people would be a trustworthy source of information.

NHL Rogers GCL details were released today. looks like its 199. Does anyone know if HS works on Ipads?

And there are some that look at video, and know about stats. And also know a lot about the game. Those people would be a trustworthy source of information.
- MJL

Trustworthy to you, that's fine.

Trustworthy to you, that's fine.
- bradleyc4

Roger Neilson don't know squat!

You or I don't know if it's farfetched or not that he's getting less support. There is only one way to know. Every zone entry needs to be looked at individually to see where the cause of the actual breakdown is. Or you can do what the statistic does. Just judge whether the zone entry was successful or not, and if it is, just place the blame on the defenseman who happens to be on that side of the ice. It's a team game, and there are 4 other skaters on the ice. This is just another case that shows the flaws of some analytics. And I guarantee that NHL teams just aren't looking at the raw data. And there are also issues of where the data is coming from.
- MJL

After the article was published about his ineffectiveness in defending zone entries, I paid closer attention to how he defended them. He does concede the blue line way too easily. He's very passive. His mobility and good stick should allow him to be more effective in this area.

What do I know though? I'm just a lowly fan who looks at stats all day.

Roger Neilson don't know squat!
- MBFlyerfan

He was a visionary.

After the article was published about his ineffectiveness in defending zone entries, I paid closer attention to how he defended them. He does concede the blue line way too easily. He's very passive. His mobility and good stick should allow him to be more effective in this area.

What do I know though? I'm just a lowly fan who looks at stats all day.
- PhillySportsGuy

Data and video working together. What a novel concept.

There will always be doubters, or those who think their eyes and/or memory are better tools than stats.

In reality, we need people who are skeptical, though. Those who collect data should be doubted - did I do everything correctly? Is there a flaw I missed in my research? Are my conclusions too biased?

It's a checks and balances thing.

Data and video working together. What a novel concept.

There will always be doubters, or those who think their eyes and/or memory are better tools than stats.

In reality, we need people who are skeptical, though. Those who collect data should be doubted - did I do everything correctly? Is there a flaw I missed in my research? Are my conclusions too biased?

It's a checks and balances thing.
- bradleyc4

Stop being so pragmatic.

I hereby deny your right to have your own perspective and narrative.

Data and video working together. What a novel concept.

There will always be doubters, or those who think their eyes and/or memory are better tools than stats.

In reality, we need people who are skeptical, though. Those who collect data should be doubted - did I do everything correctly? Is there a flaw I missed in my research? Are my conclusions too biased?

It's a checks and balances thing.
- bradleyc4

Your levelheaded logicalness has absolutely no place on the internet in general nor on Hockeybuzz specifically.

As Flyers club president Paul Holmgren said whenever he was asked about the club's team speed, the puck moves faster than any player can skate. That is why Craig Berube constantly harps on the need for the players to think faster, react quicker and keeping their feet moving.

Really great quote. This is perfect...."team speed" shouldn't be condoned, but it's certainly a bit overblown a lot of the time.

Also, the fact that Made didn't get any recognition is appalling. Yowza.

Data and video working together. What a novel concept.

There will always be doubters, or those who think their eyes and/or memory are better tools than stats.

In reality, we need people who are skeptical, though. Those who collect data should be doubted - did I do everything correctly? Is there a flaw I missed in my research? Are my conclusions too biased?

It's a checks and balances thing.
- bradleyc4

Without Corsi, BSH never would have looked into zone entries. We would have gone on not knowing why Amac is continually a minus player when he looks solid.

After the article was published about his ineffectiveness in defending zone entries, I paid closer attention to how he defended them. He does concede the blue line way too easily. He's very passive. His mobility and good stick should allow him to be more effective in this area.

What do I know though? I'm just a lowly fan who looks at stats all day.
- PhillySportsGuy

While I agree he looked less than aggressive engaging closer to the blue line, I wonder how much of that was 1) an artifcat of being new to the team and not wanting to be the guy who got burned to net and 2) the role he acquiesced to as his fellow D partners saw he would be the one to stay back and they themselves took more aggressive chances knowing he would "stay at home".

While I agree he looked less than aggressive engaging closer to the blue line, I wonder how much of that was 1) an artifcat of being new to the team and not wanting to be the guy who got burned to net and 2) the role he acquiesced to as his fellow D partners saw he would be the one to stay back and they themselves took more aggressive chances knowing he would "stay at home".
- juiced

1.) He had the same issues with the NYI

2.) Opposing teams were targeting his side of the ice as often as possible. If his coaches/teammates can't read and react to that strategy, then it's a higher level of disregard that goes beyond AMac.

1.) He had the same issues with the NYI

2.) Opposing teams were targeting his side of the ice as often as possible. If his coaches/teammates can't read and react to that strategy, then it's a higher level of disregard that goes beyond AMac.
- bradleyc4

I'll cut him some slack with regards to any alleged targeting... most sensible forwards would probably rather avoid a tangle with a junkyard dog like Hamonic or risk a run-in with Fat Schenn's anvil ass.

After the article was published about his ineffectiveness in defending zone entries, I paid closer attention to how he defended them. He does concede the blue line way too easily. He's very passive. His mobility and good stick should allow him to be more effective in this area.

What do I know though? I'm just a lowly fan who looks at stats all day.
- PhillySportsGuy

I saw a team that overall didn't have a consistent neutral zone presence, or consistent gap control. And I saw a lot of situations where defenseman had no choice but to back in and conced the blueline. I'm sure as with any player that were some situaitons that he could've played better.

Data and video working together. What a novel concept.

There will always be doubters, or those who think their eyes and/or memory are better tools than stats.

In reality, we need people who are skeptical, though. Those who collect data should be doubted - did I do everything correctly? Is there a flaw I missed in my research? Are my conclusions too biased?

It's a checks and balances thing.
- bradleyc4

That I agree with wholeheartedly. The problem with some statistacs that fans have access to, isn't the statistic itself, or the philosophy of it. But rather the data collected.

I saw a team that overall didn't have a consistent neutral zone presence, or consistent gap control. And I saw a lot of situations where defenseman had no choice but to back in and conced the blueline. I'm sure as with any player that were some situaitons that he could've played better.
- MJL

I'm not going to fight you on this again. Denial doesn't make it go away though.

I'll cut him some slack with regards to any alleged targeting... most sensible forwards would probably rather avoid a tangle with a junkyard dog like Hamonic or risk a run-in with Fat Schenn's anvil ass.
- Tomahawk

Speaking of fat guys....

Given the Flyers' organizational insistence that these guys actually show up in shape this year, which guy will be most written about showing up to camp in the best shape of his life?

Without Corsi, BSH never would have looked into zone entries. We would have gone on not knowing why Amac is continually a minus player when he looks solid.
- PhillySportsGuy

And those stats still don't tell us why.

Speaking of fat guys....

Given the Flyers' organizational insistence that these guys actually show up in shape this year, which guy will be most written about showing up to camp in the best shape of his life?
- johndewar

Maybe Jake? His fat buddy Hartsy got traded... maybe he passed on the dumplings this summer so he wouldn't be alone in the chubby club?