MBFlyerfan
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Go away!
Or I will taunt you a second time!
- BiggE
What a strange person.
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77rams
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Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006
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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: South Jersey, NJ
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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: the jewelry is still out
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What those guys are good at is compiling the raw data into usable information. And how to best use that information in conjunction with others. That is what they are advising teams on and why they were hired. And also probably in hopes that the same people who developed these statisticas, can develop other methods of statistical analysis in the future, that the team they work for, now only has access to. The issue was never the science behind it. The issue from my point of view, which has been shown to be true, based on infomation and statements made by teams in general, is the data collected. Websites just don't have the resources to break down the game or data that a team has. And I think we'll see in the future, that as access to better data collection becomes available. The statistics that the fans have access to, will become better, more accurate, and more useful.
- MJL
It's not just about compiling raw data. It was more about determining which stats are repeatable and most correlate to winning hockey games.
That's the expertise most of these guys bring to the table, and definitely the most sought after asset.
And yes, technology will eventually be in place to help take the human element out of data collection. But you make it sound like if you're not employed by an NHL team, your data is inferior. |
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MBFlyerfan
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
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Corgi killed the thread. I'm sorry, it was my fault. |
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Streit2ThePoint
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Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
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Streit2ThePoint
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Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
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Corgi killed the thread. I'm sorry, it was my fault.
- MBFlyerfan
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aflyerpower8
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Location: AL
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006
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How about this? Carchidi keeps bringing up Powe's name as the 4th line center for this season.
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Giroux_Is_God
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011
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Giroux_Is_God
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED
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So disappointing I had to say it twice |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA
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It's not just about compiling raw data. It was more about determining which stats are repeatable and most correlate to winning hockey games.
That's the expertise most of these guys bring to the table, and definitely the most sought after asset.
And yes, technology will eventually be in place to help take the human element out of data collection. But you make it sound like if you're not employed by an NHL team, your data is inferior.
- bradleyc4
As far as what those guys bring to an NHL team, I agree, it's not about the data at all. Which is why I repeatedly stated that the science of analytics is not the issue. The science is very sound.
And there is no doubt that the data that public websites have available to them compared to what NHL teams have access to, is absolutely inferior. Just from a logisitics stand point alone. |
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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA
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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: the jewelry is still out
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It was a good article until the author makes a wild speculation at the end.
- MJL
The speculation that the Isles should get better because the kids are a year older, as well as addition by subtraction of Andrew MacDonald? |
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MJL
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The speculation that the Isles should get better because the kids are a year older, as well as addition by subtraction of Andrew MacDonald?
- bradleyc4
Yes. |
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
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I think simply that MacDonald is better than the analytics say he is. Maybe its a rarity, maybe it isn't. Maybe he lets teams access the zone too easily. But I also know that he seems pretty calm with the puck in his own zone and makes a pretty good first pass.
Maybe if he challenged more he wouldn't be in the position to have to defend so often and THAT is what it is. But the bottom line is that when he does defend, my eyes tell me he does a pretty good job.
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE
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The speculation that the Isles should get better because the kids are a year older, as well as addition by subtraction of Andrew MacDonald?
- bradleyc4
Any negative connotations pertaining to AMac's defense, size, positioning, and/or contract are all completely unfounded. |
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MBFlyerfan
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: the jewelry is still out
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I think simply that MacDonald is better than the analytics say he is. Maybe its a rarity, maybe it isn't. Maybe he lets teams access the zone too easily. But I also know that he seems pretty calm with the puck in his own zone and makes a pretty good first pass.
Maybe if he challenged more he wouldn't be in the position to have to defend so often and THAT is what it is. But the bottom line is that when he does defend, my eyes tell me he does a pretty good job.
- MBFlyerfan
It's not that he's without good traits: he's very mobile, makes solid passes and plays tight man coverage.
That he allows opponents to gain entry into the Flyers zone with the puck so easily far outweighs those positives.
And I think that shows up well in the analytics and eye test arguments. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE
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hey hey hey! No need to get nasty.
- MBFlyerfan
He didn't want to play for his junior team or the NHL team that drafted him. He's obviously a crybaby, and he'll be run out of the league within 2 years without ever amounting to anything at all. |
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Streit2ThePoint
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Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE
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It's not that he's without good traits: he's very mobile, makes solid passes and plays tight man coverage.
That he allows opponents to gain entry into the Flyers zone with the puck so easily far outweighs those positives.
And I think that plays out well in the analytics and the eye test.
- bradleyc4
Sounds like something that can be fairly easily correctable with better coaching and a better understanding of the Flyers' system. |
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Streit2ThePoint
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Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
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He didn't want to play for his junior team or the NHL team that drafted him. He's obviously a crybaby, and he'll be run out of the league within 2 years without ever amounting to anything at all.
- jmatchett383
Bad move for the Flyers  |
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