I'm thinking more when the puck gets chipped high in the air. Like if the goalie makes a shoulder save and the puck flies 20 feet in the air. When it starts falling, you don't want an offensive player trying to swing that while theres a defenseman trying to body him, a goalie right there, etc.
- rangerdanger94

I understand just don't like offense getting neutered in a league where goals just don't get scored too much, on a regular basis, anymore.

The trapezoid thing confuses me. If we expand it, aren't we really just saying: "hey there goalie you probably shouldn't be wandering way over here to play the puck anyway" and doing them a favor?

Either don't let goalies play the puck behind the goal line at all completely taking away their ability to stop dump ins or let them wander all the way to the corners where they can cough it up and create scoring chances.

Adam French is on the lightning thread and thinks I'm cranford
- rangerdanger94

Saw that before. Poor Frenchy, he is confused.

It's just another way to discourage offense in the NHL.

I am one of those fans that thinks a high stick, knocking the puck into the net, should count. If a player skillfully bats a puck out of mid air, into the net, how is that disallowed? I completely understand disallowing pucks intentionally knocked in by a glove or a skate but a skilled use of a legal scoring object?

The NHL powers that be are doing their damndest to discourage skill in the game. No spin-a-rama in a shootout, why? Because it works and it's fun to watch, most likely.
- MidnightMarauder

The reason for high sticks is to keep the sticks low for the game and safety. If they allowed high sticks, then years down the line you will see sticks flying around head level all the time, baseball swings, etc... Players get unintentional sticks to the face enough as it is right now, can you imagine if they were allowed to start swinging sticks head high to try to score?

The trapezoid thing confuses me. If we expand it, aren't we really just saying: "hey there goalie you probably shouldn't be wandering way over here to play the puck anyway" and doing them a favor?

Either don't let goalies play the puck behind the goal line at all completely taking away their ability to stop dump ins or let them wander all the way to the corners where they can cough it up and create scoring chances.
- Maskdman3

The way I understood it was they are giving the goalie more room to play the puck at the sides of the net. But then again I'm not to bright.

The trapezoid thing confuses me. If we expand it, aren't we really just saying: "hey there goalie you probably shouldn't be wandering way over here to play the puck anyway" and doing them a favor?

Either don't let goalies play the puck behind the goal line at all completely taking away their ability to stop dump ins or let them wander all the way to the corners where they can cough it up and create scoring chances.
- Maskdman3

That's another thing at annoys is that people want goalies to play the puck more, but don't want to allow the goalie to receive the contact as other players would. This isn't aimed at you. But if you allow goalies more freedom to play the puck, fine. But if a goale get's his stick lifted and falls down because he's balance was thrown off. I don't want the play to be blow dead. Not saying that goalies should be getting Lucic'd all the time. But they also shouldn't have a invisible barrier to protect.

That's another thing at annoys is that people want goalies to play the puck more, but don't want to allow the goalie to receive the contact as other players would. This isn't aimed at you. But if you allow goalies more freedom to play the puck, fine. But if a goale get's his stick lifted and falls down because he's balance was thrown off. I don't want the play to be blow dead. Not saying that goalies should be getting Lucic'd all the time. But they also shouldn't have a invisible barrier to protect.
- tomburton99

How many interference's did Brodeur draw by coming way out of the crease and a player who wasn't even looking at him bump into him and he went down.

Adam French is on the lightning thread and thinks I'm cranford
- rangerdanger94

That was like 5 hours. Here I thought I was going to make funny of frenchie for being stupid, but apparently I'm the fool for wasting my time

How many interference's did Brodeur draw by coming way out of the crease and a player who wasn't even looking at him bump into him and he went down.
- mdw7413

That's my point. Goalies wanna go in to the corner to play the puck, fine. But be prepared to battle and dig in the corner for the reward of keeping or getting the puck. Non of the non sense of, "oh it's the goalie so stay 5 feet away."

That's my point. Goalies wanna go in to the corner to play the puck, fine. But be prepared to battle and dig in the corner for the reward of keeping or getting the puck. Non of the non sense of, "oh it's the goalie so stay 5 feet away."
- tomburton99

Yup I totally agree. The goalie coming way out to make a save bothers me even more. I would say the team in the offensive zone has way more right to the ice in front of the crease then the goalie. No problem with waving off goals if the player is in the crease, but they shouldn't have it both ways where its a penalty on the offensive player if the goalie comes out.

The reason for high sticks is to keep the sticks low for the game and safety. If they allowed high sticks, then years down the line you will see sticks flying around head level all the time, baseball swings, etc... Players get unintentional sticks to the face enough as it is right now, can you imagine if they were allowed to start swinging sticks head high to try to score?
- xcheckmajor

I suppose, I don't think it would be that much of a player safety plague though.

There have been plenty of disallowed goals hit with high sticks that didn't occur in player incident. Most of these plays are around the net; rare is the opportunity in the slot or anywhere near it.

Yup I totally agree. The goalie coming way out to make a save bothers me even more. I would say the team in the offensive zone has way more right to the ice in front of the crease then the goalie. No problem with waving off goals if the player is in the crease, but they shouldn't have it both ways where its a penalty on the offensive player if the goalie comes out.
- mdw7413

Perfect example. This joke of call. Give more freedom to goalie and this would happen, 100 times more often.

Perfect example. This joke of call. Give more freedom to goalie and this would happen, 100 times more often.


- tomburton99

Forgot about that one. Yeah that's (frank)ing absurd.

And no change to one of the most frustrating "grey area" plays in the game which affects pretty much every single team at one point or another. Goalie Interference when shoved by a defenseman. This is the biggest inconsistent call in the game, sometimes goals are waived off, sometimes they still count, sometimes the offense gets called for Goalie Interference, sometimes they don't, sometimes the defenseman gets called for crosschecking or interference, sometimes they move the faceoff to center ice....biggest grey area in the game that seems to change over and over again.

My memory of Lundqvist getting interferred with in the Finals and allowed that goal with Williams in front clearly preventing him from moving laterally. Goal still counted, LA gained all momentum, stormed back and won....
- xcheckmajor

Although I was in favor of the goal standing, I completely agree with you about this. Every single team in this league gets screwed on this call or non call I should say A LOT! Whether it was in regular season or post season or both for many teams. This has to be reviewable one way or the other. If ref believes goalie was prevented from moving then just put it to review. But if review shows Dman shoving offensive player into goalie then goal should stand regardless

Hopefully a first step and then will rise next season. If they really wanted to crack down, give points for each dive. Once you accumulate a certain amount of points, you are suspended and lose a game's pay.
- airjan23

Yes a point system makes far more sense then pocket change fines

Yes a point system makes far more sense then pocket change fines
- vols94

You have to dive 8 times for the fine to be worth 5 thousand dollars. I'd rather a monkey throw his poop and then the NHL can decide the fine. Anything would be an improvement.

Perfect example. This joke of call. Give more freedom to goalie and this would happen, 100 times more often.


- tomburton99

I remember watching this, lol... Can't believe ref called hagelin for penalty. What a joke of a call

I think the Diving fines should be called the Habbies!

Perfect example. This joke of call. Give more freedom to goalie and this would happen, 100 times more often.


- tomburton99

totally forgot about that one too...wow was I mad then.

To play devil's advocate I assume the reason for the rule preventing contact with the goalie is to prevent guys trying to knock them down or pin them to the boards preventing them from getting back to the net. That being said, I agree with those that say "you leave the crease you assume the risks."

The trapezoid thing confuses me. If we expand it, aren't we really just saying: "hey there goalie you probably shouldn't be wandering way over here to play the puck anyway" and doing them a favor?

Either don't let goalies play the puck behind the goal line at all completely taking away their ability to stop dump ins or let them wander all the way to the corners where they can cough it up and create scoring chances.
- Maskdman3

That trapezoid is really not needed anymore. Before it was initiated, goalies were handling the puck at will and flipping it out of the zone without fear because of all the interference and clutching-and-grabbing that went on before all the rule changes made that we see today. With the players going full steam ahead after dumping the puck, goalies tend to not shy away from their crease as much.

Just get rid of the damn thing I don't want to think about math while watching a hockey game anyways.

Perfect example. This joke of call. Give more freedom to goalie and this would happen, 100 times more often.


- tomburton99

I remember that crap call like it was yesterday. If a goalie charges out of his net like that and into traffic, there should never be a reason to call a penalty on any player that makes contact with the goaltender.

The crease is the net minder's area and protects them contact so they can make a save on incoming shots. Leave the safe zone behind and you should be fair game to reasonable contact.

You look at this play and then that goal in the finals last season where Hank got barreled into while in his crease that provided the Kings with a momentum-changing goal and you wonder if the league just makes up sh!t as they go along.

5k for getting caught diving 8 times.
Yeah that will put an end to diving. How will the fine be determined? By just getting a call for diving, or a video tape review. And what if a diving incident isnt caught by a ref, are they allowed to go back after the game is finished and fine a player?

I like the expansion of the trapezoid. It made it almost impossible for a goalie to pass to a forward who wasn't on the boards.

Also if I read it right, a puck off the crossbar or post out of play, the faceoff will remain in the zone. I really like this one.
- mdw7413

The amount of $$ they can fine a player is in the CBA.

The NHL can't just dole out any $$ fine they want for an on-ice infractions.

The amount of $$ they can fine a player is in the CBA.

The NHL can't just dole out any $$ fine they want for an on-ice infractions.
- Mashadar

I know, unfortunately its capped. Like Jan and other posters brought up, maybe it should be a points system that leads to a suspension.

Or fine the coach & suspend the player.

Alright you slugs, last time I'm posting this....we have 8 players for the fantasy hockey league. Do any of you know how many the Devils site fantasy league has? 17. that's right! 7(frank)ingteen. Do they know more about hockey than us? Are they a more close knit group than us? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? I want minimum 12 teams in our league so all of you that haven't signed up yet better get on it. PM Jimbro for access to the league info.

AND if any of you ass clowns call me old again there will be hell to pay. I'm looking directly at you Mike.

Alright you slugs, last time I'm posting this....we have 8 players for the fantasy hockey league. Do any of you know how many the Devils site fantasy league has? 17. that's right! 7(frank)ingteen. Do they know more about hockey than us? Are they a more close knit group than us? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? I want minimum 12 teams in our league so all of you that haven't signed up yet better get on it. PM Jimbro for access to the league info.

AND if any of you ass clowns call me old again there will be hell to pay. I'm looking directly at you Mike.
- DONMURDOCH14

umm.. i plead the 5th? lol