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NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Sep 17 @ 10:33 AM ET
VL will be gone too. Also timmonen will be pretty much gone. One of the prospects on D will be moved up next season if they presumably keep progressing. If emery's salary requirements go any higher I don't have problem replacing him. Also one of the schenn's or both will be gone in a trade. With these prospects shining the way they are the schenn's bros are losing their luster with me.
- JoeRussomanno


Vinny's signed through 20117-18 so he'd have to be traded by next offseason or before to free up space for Ryan. I do expect trades as well just because that's what happens in the NHL.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Sep 17 @ 10:34 AM ET
Where's Couturier going?
- Feanor



doesn't have the right look in his eyes, he'll never amount to a hill of beans
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Sep 17 @ 10:35 AM ET
Food for thought: If Stolarz turns into a legit #1 goalie, how will the Bob trade be viewed? Not nearly as much of a "mistake" as it's viewed now. Although I don't consider it a mistake at all given the circumstances.
- NickTheKid87

I don't really view that as a mistake, considering we got mason. Bob got a lil lucky having only half a season to play yielding him a vezina. Remember his time here? Played amazing his first half season here, looked average the second half. Almost supplanted Bryzgalov the next year, wheels fell off the second half.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 17 @ 10:35 AM ET
Food for thought: If Stolarz turns into a legit #1 goalie, how will the Bob trade be viewed? Not nearly as much of a "mistake" as it's viewed now. Although I don't consider it a mistake at all given the circumstances.
- NickTheKid87

It's not a mistake. Mason erased that in my mind. Who's to say Bob would play well in Philly now?? He never proved he could handle the pressure of being a Philly goalie. Its a rare find.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Sep 17 @ 10:35 AM ET
doesn't have the right look in his eyes, he'll never amount to a hill of beans
- -davies-


baked or refried?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Sep 17 @ 10:36 AM ET
baked or refried?
- Streit2ThePoint

Pinto limp and sloppy
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Sep 17 @ 10:36 AM ET
baked or refried?
- Streit2ThePoint



neither/never
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Sep 17 @ 10:37 AM ET
neither/never
- -davies-


Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 17 @ 10:37 AM ET
Just so you know, Ryan has played both left and right wing during his career and has been successful on either side.
- BiggE


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=678320&navid=DL|NHL|home

Ryan, who came up as a right wing, spent much of his time in Anaheim on the left side and some at center -- not surprising on a team that featured Corey Perry and Teemu Selanne as its first two right wings. He could wind up playing on the right side with Spezza, but told the Team 1200 that he's prepared for anything after his time in Anaheim.

"I was always a right winger and that never really changed," he said. "But with Anaheim I've played center, I've played left wing … I've played a little bit of everything and I think that I'm starting to get more and more comfortable on the right wing towards the end of where I was in Anaheim. But if you play the right wing there, you have to play behind Perry and Teemu and that was tough to do so they moved me to left and I got comfortable there.

"Whatever Ottawa has in store for me, I'm ready to do. I think I can play all three positions pretty comfortably now."
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Sep 17 @ 10:42 AM ET
I don't really view that as a mistake, considering we got mason. Bob got a lil lucky having only half a season to play yielding him a vezina. Remember his time here? Played amazing his first half season here, looked average the second half. Almost supplanted Bryzgalov the next year, wheels fell off the second half.
- JoeRussomanno


I agree. Given that Bob wasn't going to get any time with Bryz newly signed and Lavy's confidence killing playoff decisions with him, trading him was the best/only option at the time. I just know that a lot of people get out their soap boxes and start yelling "SHOULD'VE KEPT" with all the success he's had in Columbus. Acquiring Mason definitely shut more people up and if Stolarz pans out, will anyone view the Bob trade in a negative light?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Sep 17 @ 10:46 AM ET
I agree. Given that Bob wasn't going to get any time with Bryz newly signed and Lavy's confidence killing playoff decisions with him, trading him was the best/only option at the time. I just know that a lot of people get out their soap boxes and start yelling "SHOULD'VE KEPT" with all the success he's had in Columbus. Acquiring Mason definitely shut more people up and if Stolarz pans out, will anyone view the Bob trade in a negative light?
- NickTheKid87

There's always naysayers. But what I find interesting is if stolarz keeps progressing, what is going to happen net? Mason has A LOT of tread left, and He's been such a relief to finally have that legitimate undisputed #1 there. Oh the conundrum of flyers goaltending.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Sep 17 @ 10:49 AM ET
I agree. Given that Bob wasn't going to get any time with Bryz newly signed and Lavy's confidence killing playoff decisions with him, trading him was the best/only option at the time. I just know that a lot of people get out their soap boxes and start yelling "SHOULD'VE KEPT" with all the success he's had in Columbus. Acquiring Mason definitely shut more people up and if Stolarz pans out, will anyone view the Bob trade in a negative light?
- NickTheKid87


I've never been upset about the Bob trade. I love the recovery with mason considering the bust w had w/ bryz.

The only trade of Homer's I seriously regret is the jvr for schenn deal. Hopefully schenn can step it up cause we can't change the past.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 17 @ 10:50 AM ET
FWIW, how I would rank the Flyers top 10 prospects:

1. Laughton C
The most "NHL ready" of their prospects and the most can't miss. There is absolutely no doubt that he will be an NHL player, none. I project him to be a Flyer at some point this season, possibly right out of camp.

2. Morin D
Has the most potential, IMO, of any of their kids. Has the size and mobility to possibly be a #1 shutdown guy and I love the mean streak. I think he is a Flyer by some point next season

3. Ghostisbehere D
His skills just leap out at you, and he will play in the NHL for sure. The big question is will he be a top 4 guy or, due to his lack of size, be a 3rd pair powerplay specialist. Time will tell. Either way, I think he makes the team at the start of, or during, the 15-16 season

4. Sanheim D
His skating is already at an above average NHL level and once he fills out he is going to be a player. Should debut sometime during the 16-17 season.

5. Hagg D
Has the tools and size, but does he have the drive. He will be an NHL player, but not sure if he will be an impact player. It's all up to him. I'm projecting him to be a full time NHLer by the 16-17 season, however it may not be in Philly.

6. Aube-Kubel W
Kid has good wheels and skills and from all accounts is a hard worker as well. Look for him to be in the Flyers lineup to start the 16-17 season.

7. Stolarz G
While it's really hard to project goalies, I can see Stolarz spending 2 to 3 years with the Phantoms and hopefully step in as the Flyers backup at the start of the 16-17 or 17-18 season.

8. Alt D
Next to Laughton, he is the most NHL ready of these kids. Not sure that he will ever be any more than a 3rd pair guy though. Look for him to get some call up time this season and he will push hard for a regular spot in 15-16

9. Alderson W
Came out of basically nowhere last year to make this list. Will be one of the first wingers called up if needed and he should push hard for a spot in 15-16.

10. Leier W
Kid has great wheels and a great work ethic. I expect he plays 2 full seasons with the Phantoms before earning a spot on the 4th line to start the 16-17 season.



JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Sep 17 @ 10:50 AM ET
neither/never
- -davies-

Hey FWIW I really do like coots and my enthusiasm over Laughton should not say otherwise.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 17 @ 10:54 AM ET
There's always naysayers. But what I find interesting is if stolarz keeps progressing, what is going to happen net? Mason has A LOT of tread left, and He's been such a relief to finally have that legitimate undisputed #1 there. Oh the conundrum of flyers goaltending.
- JoeRussomanno


Stolarz is years away from challenging Mason. Mason only has a three year deal.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 17 @ 10:55 AM ET
hahahaha. Ill carry his bags for him. Ill drive him back and forth everywhere he wants to go!!! To flyers next summer 7yrs/42.5 mil. This is a transition year I believe. Another year for the young dmen to grow in the minors and in Jr. Then trade a vet dman and allow one or maybe two youngins up to play d buy out umberber or vinny and free up more space.
- jmdodgeser4



I'd cancel his flight to Philly. I would not sign Ryan to that deal.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Sep 17 @ 10:55 AM ET
There's always naysayers. But what I find interesting is if stolarz keeps progressing, what is going to happen net? Mason has A LOT of tread left, and He's been such a relief to finally have that legitimate undisputed #1 there. Oh the conundrum of flyers goaltending.
- JoeRussomanno


I see a few scenarios if Stolarz turns into an NHL Starter

1) One the goalies becomes trade bait if both play at a high level consistently
2) Mason becomes back-up if his play tails off for one reason or another
3) Stolarz doesn't re-sign with the Flyers when he is eligible for UFA status
4) Mason walks when his contract expires
5) A formidable tandem is created
6) Stolarz ends up following a similar path as Cory Schneider
7) Both end up playing too inconsistently to be NHL starters for the long haul and we're back to square one
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 17 @ 10:57 AM ET
The best part of yesterday's game is the fact that Holmgren is no longer GM. Thankfully 3 or 4 of these kids will NOT be swapped for Byfuglien or Yandle!!
- BiggE



The majority of prospects that people are raving about, were acquired under Holmgren.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Sep 17 @ 10:58 AM ET
I've never been upset about the Bob trade. I love the recovery with mason considering the bust w had w/ bryz.

The only trade of Homer's I seriously regret is the jvr for schenn deal. Hopefully schenn can step it up cause we can't change the past.

- moylander


The Flyers had surplus forward talent when they dealt JVR. But they could have hung on to him for one more year to see what happened. Maybe his trade value increases and they can get more. However, both he and Schenn were in similar boats i.e. tons of potential/hype coming in but both kinda of beat down confidence-wise by their respective teams/cities
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 17 @ 11:00 AM ET
I've never been upset about the Bob trade. I love the recovery with mason considering the bust w had w/ bryz.

The only trade of Homer's I seriously regret is the jvr for schenn deal. Hopefully schenn can step it up cause we can't change the past.

- moylander


With all the money they committed to Bryz, Bob simply wasn't going to play and he wasn't going to stay here past his contract to be Bryz's backup.

And I remember my visceral reaction to the JvR trade was: Is that all we got back? I didn't mind trading JvR, per se. I always felt they should have gotten more back.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 17 @ 11:01 AM ET
The majority of prospects that people are raving about, were acquired under Holmgren.
- MJL


Didn't say he wasn't good at drafting.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 17 @ 11:02 AM ET
Stolarz is years away from challenging Mason. Mason only has a three year deal.
- Feanor


I'd say he's closer to 2 years away. Isn't this his first pro season?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 17 @ 11:03 AM ET
Didn't say he wasn't good at drafting.
- BiggE


BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 17 @ 11:04 AM ET

- Tomahawk

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 17 @ 11:04 AM ET

- Tomahawk

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