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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 19 @ 1:38 PM ET
I agree. I think we all need to relax here. If Giroux is out it probably is'nt long and I'm sure Vinny OR Schenn could fill in for a few games if need be. Im not worried.
- GOA88



Much better to totally overreact, and set the record for fastest bail out on a team by a fan, in NHL history, then to be optomistic!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 19 @ 1:38 PM ET
giroux injured awesome! vinny to first line
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 19 @ 1:38 PM ET
The word superstar & the name Bobby Ryan are not synonymous
- Jsaquella


Agreed
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 19 @ 1:39 PM ET
I'm gonna keep saying it. It doesn't matter how big or small the injury, Giroux is too heavily relied on for this team. The idea of losing him is scary. The Flyers need another impact player in my opinion.Whether it's from within the organization or outside, they need a guy who can somewhat handed the offensive load without Giroux on some nights. Take Forsberg playing with Gagne and Knuble for example. If Forsberg was unable to go, I still had confidence in Gagne playing with Knuble and anyone who was in between them. Simmonds is a really good complimentary player but will not lead the charge. Read and Schenn I feel can make things happen but I'm not sure can lead the charge. Voracek is are second most gifted offensive threat but I feel he needs help.

I will not say Bobby Ryan is that guy because I don't see him leading the charge but he's better then what we have in my opinion and probably the only player of impact available. If other players become available I most certainly would look into them. You won't wanna give up assets but I would consider walking away from one of Hagg or Gostisbehere, a high draft pick and a roster player to worry a little less.

Feel free to rip me.

- SuperSchennBros



In my opinion, Wayne Simmonds is a better player then Bobby Ryan is.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Sep 19 @ 1:41 PM ET
I'm kind of caught in the middle, but lean towards using Schenn. However, if Lecavalier is ever gonna perform at a level near his paycheck
- Jsaquella


Lecavalier is just not a top-6 caliber forward in the NHL anymore, in my opinion.

There's a role for him as an offensive-minded center for the bottom-6 and on the 2nd PP unit.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 19 @ 1:42 PM ET
Agreed
- BiggE

If Giroux is out foran extended period, you're not replacing him. Ice the best team possible and hope he gets well. Not a tragedy if they miss playoffs, anyhow.

That said, without any idea what is wrong, it's silly to speculate that Giroux will be out for an extended period.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Sep 19 @ 1:43 PM ET
If Giroux is out foran extended period, you're not replacing him. Ice the best team possible and hope he gets well. Not a tragedy if they miss playoffs, anyhow.

That said, without any idea what is wrong, it's silly to speculate that Giroux will be out for an extended period.

- Jsaquella


Yep, purely hypothetical.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 19 @ 1:43 PM ET
Lecavalier is just not a top-6 caliber forward in the NHL anymore, in my opinion.

There's a role for him as an offensive-minded center for the bottom-6 and on the 2nd PP unit.

- bradleyc4



That really depends on what Lecavalier we see. The one from last year, or the player he has been up to before last season. If he's strong, and can regain his form, and maintain it throughout the year, he is still a top 6 caliber player in this league.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 19 @ 1:44 PM ET
If Giroux is out foran extended period, you're not replacing him. Ice the best team possible and hope he gets well. Not a tragedy if they miss playoffs, anyhow.

That said, without any idea what is wrong, it's silly to speculate that Giroux will be out for an extended period.

- Jsaquella


Agreed, again
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 19 @ 1:46 PM ET
Lecavalier is just not a top-6 caliber forward in the NHL anymore, in my opinion.

There's a role for him as an offensive-minded center for the bottom-6 and on the 2nd PP unit.

- bradleyc4

I'm simply hoping playing with more dynamic players will help Vinny's game. I don't see him as a long term option with Voracek & Raffl or whomever
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 19 @ 1:47 PM ET
Philadelphia Flyers ‏@NHLFlyers 12s
UPDATE: Claude Giroux will be out approximately two weeks with a lower-body injury, per #Flyers GM Ron Hextall → http://nhlflye.rs/BHjsy

Much ado about nothing.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 19 @ 1:48 PM ET
Maybe leight, but Giroux out approx. 2 weeks...puts him pretty much a week before opening night coming back.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 19 @ 1:48 PM ET
Philadelphia Flyers ‏@NHLFlyers 12s
UPDATE: Claude Giroux will be out approximately two weeks with a lower-body injury, per #Flyers GM Ron Hextall → http://nhlflye.rs/BHjsy

Much ado about nothing.

- PLindbergh31

Thank the (frank) Christ
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 19 @ 1:49 PM ET
Lecavalier is just not a top-6 caliber forward in the NHL anymore, in my opinion.

There's a role for him as an offensive-minded center for the bottom-6 and on the 2nd PP unit.

- bradleyc4


It's not a question of linemate/situation quality with him... he just doesn't have enough game/wheels/tricks to come out on the positive side against the McDonaghs and Bergerons of the world anymore.

It's no coincidence that the only time he looked dangerous last season was against third-pair D and other teams' 4th-lines.
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Sep 19 @ 1:49 PM ET
Philadelphia Flyers ‏@NHLFlyers 12s
UPDATE: Claude Giroux will be out approximately two weeks with a lower-body injury, per #Flyers GM Ron Hextall → http://nhlflye.rs/BHjsy

Much ado about nothing.

- PLindbergh31



Meh. No big deal. Probably just being extra special careful with him right now. I bet if this were in the middle of the season he'd be back in a few days
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 19 @ 1:50 PM ET
Thank the (frank) Christ
- Jsaquella


Who knows if the injury lingers or not, but it sure beats hip surgery.
A bumpy start to say the least between Timonen and this.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
Much ado about nothing.
- PLindbergh31


Just hope it wasn't the groin or abdominal area... that poop never seems to heal.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
Thank the (frank) Christ
- Jsaquella


I second this post!!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
Sorry, misunderstood.

Either way, I very much doubt, at this time of year, any team is going to be looking to trade a superstar forward.

- BiggE

I agree completely.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
It's not a question of linemate/situation quality with him... he just doesn't have enough game/wheels/tricks to come out on the positive side against the McDonaghs and Bergerons of the world anymore.

It's no coincidence that the only time he looked dangerous last season was against third-pair D and other teams' 4th-lines.

- Tomahawk



That was last season. We'll see about this season. And chances are that Giroux and Voracek are going to get most of the attention from the McDonaghs and Bergerons of the world regardless of how Lecavalier plays. And he was plenty dangerous last year before he suffered the injuries.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 19 @ 1:53 PM ET
Just hope it wasn't the groin or abdominal area... that poop never seems to heal.
- Tomahawk


hip, groin, abdominal, none are ideal. Amazing this happens the first 15 minutes of camp in non-contact drills.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 19 @ 1:55 PM ET
In my opinion, Wayne Simmonds is a better player then Bobby Ryan is.
- MJL

Wayne Simmonds is by far my favourite player on this team. He's tougher, more gritty and has a lot of ability but Ryan in my opinion has the better hands and shot. If you put both these players on one team, I think Ryan would out produce Simmonds.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 19 @ 1:55 PM ET
It's not a question of linemate/situation quality with him... he just doesn't have enough game/wheels/tricks to come out on the positive side against the McDonaghs and Bergerons of the world anymore.

It's no coincidence that the only time he looked dangerous last season was against third-pair D and other teams' 4th-lines.

- Tomahawk


Is it a question of where he grips it?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 19 @ 1:55 PM ET
If they are serious about making Schenn a wing I would leave him there and move someone else into the center spot for now. Especially if it isnt a long term injury. No reason to get him all confused again.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 19 @ 1:56 PM ET
Wayne Simmonds is by far my favourite player on this team. He's, tougher, more gritty and has a lot of ability but Ryan in my opinion has the better hands and shot. If you put both these players on one team, I think Ryan would out produce Simmonds.
- SuperSchennBros


You need to give Scotland some advice on seceding.
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