The extreme outcomes of a given scenario are less likely to occur than something in the middle.
- NickTheKid87

Expect? Sure. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe though. #semantics

The extreme outcomes of a given scenario are less likely to occur than something in the middle.
- NickTheKid87

But not like believing in a fair and equitable government.

And yet or anybody here has now way of 100% knowing what the ideal outcome will be YEARS down the road.
- ob18

We know the ideal outcome. It's if all these prospects reach the upper limits of their potential. We won't know the actual outcome until years down the road. Whether or not the actual outcome will be the ideal outcome is obviously yet to be seen. Chances are, the actual outcome will be something in the middle.

what on earth could the reason be?
- hammarby31

Would love to hear the explanation myself.

Expect? Sure. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe though. #semantics
- BulliesPhan87

Oh no, don't get me wrong, it's not unreasonable to believe. If I was unclear, you have just clarified what I meant.

every single one of them is going to be better than bobby orr. the flyers are going to have to unretire barry ashbee's number so they can fight over it.
- hammarby31

If that's the case, I feel bad for all of them whose last names aren't "Morin."

Considering all outcomes, especially the most probable, is not being negatively solely because I refuse to only consider the ideal outcome.
- NickTheKid87

Well then let us consider that Ghost has probably already exceeded expectations...a third rounder who led a team to a natonal championship as their best player and Hoby Baker candidate. Bet you didnt see that coming when they drafted him.

I get your point on probabilities but I think we hit on at least 2 of these d-men in a big way....witha third being at least a serviceable final pairing guy.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, it's not unreasonable to believe. If I was unclear, you have just clarified what I meant.
- NickTheKid87

I am looking forward to an orderly election, which will eliminate the need for a violent blood bath.

Wonder what Weber was rated at ...Till these guys play in the NHL all we can do is speculate....one thing we can agree on though is that some of these guys have the tools, but more importantly they are tenacious and competitive as all hell. I think Morin is the next #1...He might not be as offensive as pronger, but he is sound on defense, and he has that personality and nastyness to a T. At worst Morin will be a bigger meaner coburn.

Well then let us consider that Ghost has probably already exceeded expectations...a third rounder who led a team to a natonal championship as their best player and Hoby Baker candidate. Bet you didnt see that coming when they drafted him.

I get your point on probabilities but I think we hit on at least 2 of these d-men in a big way....witha third being at least a serviceable final pairing guy.
- juiced

I agree that Ghost has already exceeded expectations and with that, new expectations have been bestowed upon him.

The one thing we can all agree on: Time will tell.

C'mon, do we really expect that much out of a defender whose name is "More In"?

If that's the case, I feel bad for all of them whose last names aren't "Morin."
- jmatchett383

what if they all morph into one giant, power defensman like a transformer?

behold! morhaggheimaltbehere

Well then let us consider that Ghost has probably already exceeded expectations...a third rounder who led a team to a natonal championship as their best player and Hoby Baker candidate. Bet you didnt see that coming when they drafted him.

I get your point on probabilities but I think we hit on at least 2 of these d-men in a big way....witha third being at least a serviceable final pairing guy.
- juiced

Lauridsen - Lauridsen
Ghost - Morin
Hagg - Lauridsen

/Cup

Either way, it's still unlikely that Morin, Sanheim, Ghost, Hagg, Alt will hit the limits of their potential. It's unlikely that even 2 or 3 of them will. It's also unlikely that all will be busts or that none will be an above average dman. Time is the only thing that will clear things up. It just seems to me that these young players are running the risk of becoming over-hyped.
- NickTheKid87

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that most fans know that the defense lacks that top player, and hasn't developed much internally. So a lot of it is hope, and excitement that the team has a good staple of defensive prospects. But I agree that they're being overhyped somewhat. Not just in terms of how good they might be, but also how fast they are going to "come to the rescue".

what if they all morph into one giant, power defensman like a transformer?

behold! morhaggheimaltbehere
- hammarby31

I really dont see the issue here. Ryan can play both sides and by his actions on rejecting a significant contract offer has made it clear he wishes to explore ufa. I also believe he wants to come to philly. I think a contrat of an average 6 mil cap hit is fine and he would be turning down more money as well...a lot more prolly. We have the cap space to do so as constructed now going into next offseason. It wouldnt hurt to buyout/trade one of umberger or vinny or grossman and add a young d to help give us even more cap space going into the offseason two seasons from now with expiring contracts to scheen and coots. I say sign bobby R
- jmdodgeser4

I agree completely. I'll agree with the majority, Ryan isn't a 7 million or 8 million top dollar player. However at 6 million spread through seven seasons, why not? Without question I'd take Evander Kane or JvR back but those are players who will cost assets. They'll be a price to pay for those players.

Wonder what Weber was rated at ...Till these guys play in the NHL all we can do is speculate....one thing we can agree on though is that some of these guys have the tools, but more importantly they are tenacious and competitive as all hell. I think Morin is the next #1...He might not be as offensive as pronger, but he is sound on defense, and he has that personality and nastyness to a T.
- PhillaBully

kim johnsson was taken dead last at #294 or something in the 9th round (when they had that many). we just don't know until we know. until then, i see no reason why not to have some excitement and optimism while we wait for 10 straight cups in the near future.

We know the ideal outcome. It's if all these prospects reach the upper limits of their potential. We won't know the actual outcome until years down the road. Whether or not the actual outcome will be the ideal outcome is obviously yet to be seen. Chances are, the actual outcome will be something in the middle.
- NickTheKid87

I don't know the outcome that far in advance, I don't even know how my round of golf tomorrow is going to go, you can just keep the roll of psychic, I'll let them continue to develop and let thing play out.

- jmatchett383

not impressed.

The Flyers have MacDonald for six more years, Streit for three more years, and Coburn for at least two more years. Those are good, veteran defensemen. How are the Flyers in rebuilding mode if Morin, Ghost, Hagg and Sanheim start filling in the spots around them over the next few seasons?
- Feanor

I couldn't agree more. The younger defense prospects have nothing but time.

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that most fans know that the defense lacks that top player, and hasn't developed much internally. So a lot of it is hope, and excitement that the team has a good staple of defensive prospects. But I agree that they're being overhyped somewhat. Not just in terms of how good they might be, but also how fast they are going to "come to the rescue".
- MJL

It's when hope and realism get blurred that we have a problem. I have hope for these guys and realistically I think the Flyers are in a great place for the future.

I'm not arguing potential, I'm arguing probability. And more so in terms of the whole lot of young dmen than the individual ones.
- NickTheKid87

Two different angles. Not expecting them all to develop and meet their potential is pretty reasonable, and how likely is that based on the odds? But looking at them as individuals and saying that none of them are rated that high, or looked as with the potential to become top pairing or even #1 defenseman. Is a different conversation.

kim johnsson was taken dead last at #294 or something in the 9th round (when they had that man). we just don't know until we know. until then, i see no reason why not to have some excitement and optimism while we wait for 10 straight cups in the near future.
- hammarby31

I don't know the outcome that far in advance, I don't even know how my round of golf tomorrow is going to go, you can just keep the roll of psychic, I'll let them continue to develop and let thing play out.
- ob18

It's not being psychic. I'm basing my argument off of what we know in addition to probability. I'm not making stuff up out of thin are and saying "this is what will happen." I am being reasonable.

not impressed.
- hammarby31