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LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 24 @ 7:22 PM ET
I am all for something like that, but I definitely think we need to limit our rookies to Vey+one realistic option. The only realistic options as I see it are Jensen/Horvat/Corrado, and Corrado is as good as guaranteed to be going back to Utica
- bezz44

Love Horvat's attention to detail on the defensive side of the puck, perfect to cut his teeth on the third or fourth line, but there's just no room. I don't like Vey at center due to his weak defensive play, perhaps RW?

A lot of options for centers in the bottom six. Horvat Richardson, Matthias, Vey??
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 24 @ 7:22 PM ET
My sense is that WD isn't going to give lines a distinction (If that makes sense). On any night, the Horvat line could be the "2nd line", Bonino's on another. If they are going to bring youth into the line up, they'll split up the vets to balance out the whole line.

Question marks are good IMO. The only way we'll know if they can play, is if they play.

- Gullzy

Did anyone see the game with Bonino Kassian and Burrows? How did they play as a unit. Were they domination or chasing?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 24 @ 7:23 PM ET
I love the idea as well. Sadly, I don't think that would do it. Buff is too versatile - he's up there in hits, points, shots and can play both D and W.

I think you would have to add either a draft pick or another prospect or roster player (which, that being the case, I would not do if I were the Canucks, especially given Buff is a bit of an enigma)

- Zogg

Mathias?
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 24 @ 7:24 PM ET
Did anyone see the game with Bonino Kassian and Burrows? How did they play as a unit. Were they domination or chasing?
- VANTEL

I don't think it was on anywhere?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 24 @ 7:25 PM ET
Love Horvat's attention to detail on the defensive side of the puck, perfect to cut his teeth on the third or fourth line, but there's just no room. I don't like Vey at center due to his weak defensive play, perhaps RW?

A lot of options for centers in the bottom six. Horvat Richardson, Matthias, Vey??

- LeftCoaster

If you had a third line of Shink Horvat Vey, how would they do against other third lines?
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Sep 24 @ 7:26 PM ET
Mathias?
- VANTEL


Our biggest centre, we'll need him. He's pretty good too.
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Sep 24 @ 7:26 PM ET
If you had a third line of Shink Horvat Vey, how would they do against other third lines?
- VANTEL


Eaten alive lolol
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Sep 24 @ 7:27 PM ET
My sense is that WD isn't going to give lines a distinction (If that makes sense). On any night, the Horvat line could be the "2nd line", Bonino's on another. If they are going to bring youth into the line up, they'll split up the vets to balance out the whole line.

Question marks are good IMO. The only way we'll know if they can play, is if they play.

- Gullzy

I like this style of coaching. You adjust to his is playing well at any given moment and as soon as it stops working try something else
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Sep 24 @ 7:28 PM ET
Love Horvat's attention to detail on the defensive side of the puck, perfect to cut his teeth on the third or fourth line, but there's just no room. I don't like Vey at center due to his weak defensive play, perhaps RW?

A lot of options for centers in the bottom six. Horvat Richardson, Matthias, Vey??

- LeftCoaster

Waaaay too many options... Where were these problems last year?!?
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 24 @ 7:30 PM ET
If you had a third line of Shink Horvat Vey, how would they do against other third lines?
- VANTEL

Best guess, I think they'd be fine, although there'd be some growing pains for sure. Matthias is a UFA next year, I like the idea of him at LW for this year and Shinkaruk in the AHL until the trade deadline.

Really like to see Benning use guys like Matthias at the TDL to acquire more picks. But for this year, Matthias Horvat Vey.

Next year, Shinkaruk Horvat Vey
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 24 @ 7:31 PM ET
Waaaay too many options... Where were these problems last year?!?
- bezz44

Baby steps, gotta walk before you run.
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Sep 24 @ 7:35 PM ET
I like this style of coaching. You adjust to his is playing well at any given moment and as soon as it stops working try something else
- bezz44


From what he's saying, I'm excited to have landed him. He's going to judge everyone on their strengths, not their weaknesses. He'll create a balanced line-up and he's going to adjust their deployment based on a minute to minute basis.

There's a lot of new faces in management, but his philosophy is what's going to create the largest paradigm shift we've seen in this org in a while. No more toying with the media, or calling out players in public, all business.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Sep 24 @ 7:35 PM ET
Why are we demoting Kassian? I have heard that Burrows Bonino and Kassian have looked good.
- VANTEL

I think it will have to be proven who is going to be on the 2nd line. I am sure we will see plenty of line juggling until they find chemistry and have definite 2nd line.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 24 @ 7:38 PM ET
From what he's saying, I'm excited to have landed him. He's going to judge everyone on their strengths, not their weaknesses. He'll create a balanced line-up and he's going to adjust their deployment based on a minute to minute basis.

There's a lot of new faces in management, but his philosophy is what's going to create the largest paradigm shift we've seen in this org in a while. No more toying with the media, or calling out players in public, all business.

- Gullzy

Whoa
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Sep 24 @ 7:39 PM ET
I think it will have to be proven who is going to be on the 2nd line. I am sure we will see plenty of line juggling until they find chemistry and have definite 2nd line.
- thundachunk


Are they playing split squad tomorrow too? I'm hoping they give us a look at the new top 6 fwd group.
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Sep 24 @ 7:40 PM ET
Whoa
- LeftCoaster


Haha why?
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Sep 24 @ 7:42 PM ET
I think it will have to be proven who is going to be on the 2nd line. I am sure we will see plenty of line juggling until they find chemistry and have definite 2nd line.
- thundachunk


Kassian is just not consistent enough to be on the 2nd line IMO.
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Sep 24 @ 7:43 PM ET
Kassian is just not consistent enough to be on the 2nd line IMO.
- bloatedmosquito


He was the best player we had down the stretch. Watch WD turn him into a top 6 stud over the next two seasons.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 24 @ 7:47 PM ET
Kassian is just not consistent enough to be on the 2nd line IMO.
- bloatedmosquito

Another guy who needs a chance to develop on the fly instead of being called a "project". He scored 14 goals last year in a limited role.
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Sep 24 @ 7:48 PM ET
Kassian is just not consistent enough to be on the 2nd line IMO.
- bloatedmosquito

I thought he was our most consistent player in 2014
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Sep 24 @ 7:48 PM ET
From what he's saying, I'm excited to have landed him. He's going to judge everyone on their strengths, not their weaknesses. He'll create a balanced line-up and he's going to adjust their deployment based on a minute to minute basis.

There's a lot of new faces in management, but his philosophy is what's going to create the largest paradigm shift we've seen in this org in a while. No more toying with the media, or calling out players in public, all business.

- Gullzy

(frank) yea
we_are_all_canucks
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Don't hate me because I'm really really ridiculously good looking.
Joined: 09.29.2007

Sep 24 @ 7:48 PM ET
I haven't been impressed with Jensen but he has been pretty well rounded nothing that flashed brilliance though. I really like Jensen he deserves every chance to make the team. So far though Shinkaruk has generated chances using speed and energy made some mistakes. So its Jensen is lose right now.
- thundachunk

We didn't get to see Jensen last night, but he scored as well, mind you in a losing effort to a better SJ lineup. Will have to wait and see how the rest of the preseason goes.

If we are slowly introducing youth and developing them properly similar to the Detroit model, then it's Jensen's time to move up. Either play him or play him to showcase and trade him. Horvat or Shink may be more gifted, but so far all we've seen is them playing sub-par NHL squads. Horvat may be the exception because he seems more defensively sound, and not much more for him to learn in the OHL. He has to be better than every other pro available though.

I thought Subban looked like he has real potential as well. Smart positioning, good shot. Pretty small for a D, but so was Brian Rafalski, and he did okay.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Sep 24 @ 7:53 PM ET
I thought he was our most consistent player in 2014
- bezz44


And where did that get the team?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 24 @ 7:54 PM ET
Kassian is just not consistent enough to be on the 2nd line IMO.
- bloatedmosquito


It's time to give him a shot, if he doesn't step up then at least Benning/Willie know that maybe he'll end up being more of a low end 2nd liner or high end 3rd liner. This is his season to take another step, crucial season for him.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Sep 24 @ 7:56 PM ET
God I hate that 2nd line. Way too many questions. I get the feeling the 2nd line is going to be:

Higgins / Bonino / Burrows

- bloatedmosquito

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