Huge season for the Sedins. If they don't start producing, people will want their heads on a pike.
- Gullzy

Where would you even put their head?

Yes. Lets do a few more years of sucking to build up talent. And for the existing young talent that might have to bare a few years of suckage I would just keep showing them one picture:



Perseverance is a good quality for star players and a winning team.
- bloatedmosquito

It's not that easy my friend- Yzerman made the NHL at 18 but didn't win a Stanley cup until he was in his 30's. That's a long time!!!!

It's not that easy my friend- Yzerman made the NHL at 18 but didn't win a Stanley cup until he was in his 30's. That's a long time!!!!
- LeftCoaster

I ask you this (possibly a dumb question but, hey, just like Mr Booth, I'm at least consistent )

How would Yzerman be perceived today if he had not won a Stanley Cup?

I ask you this (possibly a dumb question but, hey, just like Mr Booth, I'm at least consistent )

How would Yzerman be perceived today if he had not won a Stanley Cup?
- Zogg

Probably similar to Linden, viewed as a god by local fans but seen as nothing special by other fans. Solid player, solid leader and a good person.

I ask you this (possibly a dumb question but, hey, just like Mr Booth, I'm at least consistent )

How would Yzerman be perceived today if he had not won a Stanley Cup?
- Zogg

It's funny because I went to think of a comparable player of that era who hadn't won a cup, and I couldn't think of a single one. Albeit I'm from a later generation, I think that's pretty telling about how we remember winners
Edit: Linden is a good one kneughter

Yes. Lets do a few more years of sucking to build up talent. And for the existing young talent that might have to bare a few years of suckage I would just keep showing them one picture:



Perseverance is a good quality for star players and a winning team.
- bloatedmosquito

Yzerman is one of the most overrated players in nhl history.

Yzerman is one of the most overrated players in nhl history.
- Scooby_Doo

#sarcastic icon?

It's funny because I went to think of a comparable player of that era who hadn't won a cup, and I couldn't think of a single one. Albeit I'm from a later generation, I think that's pretty telling about how we remember winners
Edit: Linden is a good one kneughter
- bezz44

My thoughts as well. I can't think of a high end star that didn't ultimately win a cup at some point in their lives, during that era.

Good example with respect to Linden, Kneughter

My thoughts as well. I can't think of a high end star that didn't ultimately win a cup at some point in their lives, during that era.

Good example with respect to Linden, Kneughter
- Zogg

Its an interesting question, tough comparable

But he definitely wasn't viewed the same way until he won his cup... I think fans and the organization was getting impatient with him before that happened.

Its an interesting question, tough comparable

But he definitely wasn't viewed the same way until he won his cup... I think fans and the organization was getting impatient with him before that happened.
- kneughter

I agree, it's a difficult assessment, and I would even go to the extent of possibly hindering the HOF status (that is, I think he'd get in but not on the very first ballot- correct me if I'm wrong). He did certainly back up his resume with some fantastic stats, so I am fairly certain there would be no question as to him being inducted. I'm just wondering if it would be with the same sort of fanfare and level of distinction had he not won the big one (both from a public perspective, - which can be nonsensically harsh in many of their assessments - and also from the media/hockey people, who can be fickle as well.

In my humble opinion, I would go so far as to say Stevie Y was within or very close to the Top 10 and definitely within the Top 20 of all time.

Watch for Shink.

The 80's were the best, I do agree, miss those years.
- LeftCoaster

I bet you had a mullet

I ask you this (possibly a dumb question but, hey, just like Mr Booth, I'm at least consistent )

How would Yzerman be perceived today if he had not won a Stanley Cup?
- Zogg

Like Marcel Dionne- great player who played on a mediocre team.

I bet you had a mullet
- 1970vintage

Of course I did.

Watch for Shink.
- VanHockeyGuy

IMO Horvat had a stronger game. Not that I'm putting major stock into one pre-season game.

I ask you this (possibly a dumb question but, hey, just like Mr Booth, I'm at least consistent )

How would Yzerman be perceived today if he had not won a Stanley Cup?
- Zogg

Yzerman without the stanley cups = Dale Hawerchuk

Its an interesting question, tough comparable

But he definitely wasn't viewed the same way until he won his cup... I think fans and the organization was getting impatient with him before that happened.
- kneughter

Yzerman was much more of a high end player than Linden. However, I do think Linden had his leadership accolades far before Yzerman.

A guy that I would think of as a comparable to Yzerman without cups would be maybe Lafontaine ?

Yzerman without the stanley cups = Dale Hawerchuk
- A_SteamingLombardi

Good one

Yzerman is one of the most overrated players in nhl history.
- Scooby_Doo

(frank)ing Scooby

Yzerman without the stanley cups = Dale Hawerchuk
- A_SteamingLombardi

That's a great example!!

Guys, I'm thinking if starting the draft through the message board on Fri morning, people can just post their picks as soon as they can. I'll update the draft order, players available and also make a post updating the draft picks as they're made. Hopefully we can get a round done every 2-3 days. Trades will be allowed during the draft as well.

(I'll email this message to everyone and on Carol's blog tomorrow).

Guys, I'm thinking if starting the draft through the message board on Fri morning, people can just post their picks as soon as they can. I'll update the draft order, players available and also make a post updating the draft picks as they're made. Hopefully we can get a round done every 2-3 days. Trades will be allowed during the draft as well.

(I'll email this message to everyone and on Carol's blog tomorrow).
- Nucker101

Why don't you just create a misc. thread since all the bumholes in the pool come to this site anyways?

Finishing last, or near last, year after year after year is not something I'm down with. There are no guarantees with it, generational players aren't there to be had every draft.

Anaheim picked Perry and Getzlaf in the back half of the first round, they supplemented them with some other good picks but not first overall picks. Hopefully we get a few decent players like Virtanen, Horvat, Shinkaruk and McCann?

Guys, I'm thinking if starting the draft through the message board on Fri morning, people can just post their picks as soon as they can. I'll update the draft order, players available and also make a post updating the draft picks as they're made. Hopefully we can get a round done every 2-3 days. Trades will be allowed during the draft as well.

(I'll email this message to everyone and on Carol's blog tomorrow).
- Nucker101

Guys, I'm thinking if starting the draft through the message board on Fri morning, people can just post their picks as soon as they can. I'll update the draft order, players available and also make a post updating the draft picks as they're made. Hopefully we can get a round done every 2-3 days. Trades will be allowed during the draft as well.

(I'll email this message to everyone and on Carol's blog tomorrow).
- Nucker101

I just want the standings posted on a regular basis so we'll know what one of you to call Mike Gillis.