Because it's usually not cool with players if their star player goes down and their only reward is a 5 minute major.

Same reason why (some) families aren't happy when a person kills a loved one and the punishment is having to pay taxes for the next 30 years for that person to live.
- jmatchett383

So vigilante justice for everyone?

it cost them nothing to qualify him. thats why. doesnt effect the balance of anything. as you said maybe they trade him later for an asset. him being qualified doesnt mean he is in their plans at all
- rinaldo

It affects off season cap space, and it takes up a contract slot on the reserve list. The reason to give a player a Q offer is to retain his rights.

So vigilante justice for everyone?
- Tomahawk

It's why everyone loves Batman.

But hey, as long as you're satisfied that the Flyers will be on the PP for 5 minutes if a guy throws a dirty hit and takes Giroux out for the year, good for you.

It affects off season cap space, and it takes up a contract slot on the reserve list. The reason to give a player a Q offer is to retain his rights.
- MJL

Yeah, the used contract slot is not cool at all.

Yeah, the used contract slot is not cool at all.
- jmatchett383

Well they're likely going to be at 47, with 3 available. So it's not a big deal. But the point is it's not "free" to qualify a player like Gustafsson who you know is going overseas to play.

It affects off season cap space, and it takes up a contract slot on the reserve list. The reason to give a player a Q offer is to retain his rights.
- MJL

i am not so sure about that as if he never signs the offer how can it effect cap space? all it is about is retaining rights.

since the contract is not signed it does no take up one of the 50 i dont believe. not sure what reserev list you mean.

i am not so sure about that as if he never signs the offer how can it effect cap space? all it is about is retaining rights.

since the contract is not signed it does no take up one of the 50 i dont believe. not sure what reserev list you mean.
- rinaldo

Bullet 3:
http://www.capgeek.com/fa...culate-the-off-season-cap

i am not so sure about that as if he never signs the offer how can it effect cap space? all it is about is retaining rights.

since the contract is not signed it does no take up one of the 50 i dont believe. not sure what reserev list you mean.
- rinaldo

In a nutshell, any time an RFA is tendered a Q.O. that player takes up a contract slot until his rights have been moved via trade or some other means.

It's why everyone loves Batman.

But hey, as long as you're satisfied that the Flyers will be on the PP for 5 minutes if a guy throws a dirty hit and takes Giroux out for the year, good for you.
- jmatchett383

My feeling on that though is if you're a player who is willing to cause an injury to a star player like Giroux and keep him out of the lineup for a year, I doubt that player is really concerned about the on-ice consequences that might come from an opposing enforcer.

do enforcers count against the cap?

My feeling on that though is if you're a player who is willing to cause an injury to a star player like Giroux and keep him out of the lineup for a year, I doubt that player is really concerned about the on-ice consequences that might come from an opposing enforcer.
- mcefalu

Not to the "enforcer." You do it to the other team's star player.

Bullet 3:
http://www.capgeek.com/fa...culate-the-off-season-cap
- Tomahawk

any idea if it was one way or two offer? i imagine the offer expires after the season is over by a certain date. i also imagine they can renounce it at any time.

do enforcers count against the cap?
- BulliesPhan87

Only the ones who can't play a regular shift.

i am not so sure about that as if he never signs the offer how can it effect cap space? all it is about is retaining rights.

since the contract is not signed it does no take up one of the 50 i dont believe. not sure what reserev list you mean.
- rinaldo

Pretty sure retaining a player's rights with a qualifying offer does actually take up a contract spot. Gus is on this list - http://capgeek.com/flyers/reserve-list/

Morin and Hagg look like they are slide rule eligible at the moment.

I think that where you hope the league and officials will step in to police the players and legislate some of the more egregious shenanigans out of the game.

Weber should have been suspended for that thing... it was pretty indefensible.
- Tomahawk

Shanahan bottled it. Hopefully the new guy isn't such a chicken poop when it comes to disciplining star players.

Not to the "enforcer." You do it to the other team's star player.
- jmatchett383

Hypothetically, if player X is willing to cause injury to Giroux, an injury that would take G out of the lineup for a year, I doubt player X cares about any retribution that might happen on the ice.

Meaning, having Jay Rosehill in the lineup isn't necessarily going to make a difference. They would certainly fight it out, but at that point, G is already injured. I don't see how the enforcer presence would matter much.

any idea if it was one way or two offer? i imagine the offer expires after the season is over by a certain date. i also imagine they can renounce it at any time.
- rinaldo

His last contract was one-way, I don't believe they can offer him a two-way QO.

The QO expires sometime in December, I believe. They can't renounce it.

Edit: after looking it up, I was wrong about the two points above.

QO expires on July 15, but still counts on the off-season cap until player is signed. Gus doesn't meet the criteria for one-way only QO so it was probably $1M 2-way.

His last contract was one-way, I don't believe they can offer him a two-way QO.

The QO expires sometime in December, I believe. They can't renounce it.
- Tomahawk

so then they pick up whatever he was to be paid in cap space? just asking as no idea how it works

so then they pick up whatever he was to be paid in cap space? just asking as no idea how it works
- rinaldo

He only counts toward the off-season cap. On day 1 of the season, he's $0.

He only counts toward the off-season cap. On day 1 of the season, he's $0.
- Tomahawk

so really no big deal at all as you can exceed the cap n the off seaosn anyway. he makes a small amount. thanks for the info.

Hypothetically, if player X is willing to cause injury to Giroux, an injury that would take G out of the lineup for a year, I doubt player X cares about any retribution that might happen on the ice.

Meaning, having Jay Rosehill in the lineup isn't necessarily going to make a difference. They would certainly fight it out, but at that point, G is already injured. I don't see how the enforcer presence would matter much.
- mcefalu

That's exactly what I said. You don't go after Player X. You go after the best player on Player X's team.

With Sanheim, there was likely no way he was making the team. In Morin's case, he's a guy that would probably benefit by heading to the AHL. This way the Flyers get extra coaching time with Morin before they ship him off to Rimouski.
- Jsaquella

Even if Sanheim went above & beyond their expectations he'd still have been sent back to get the ice time, improve his game, & add muscle.

That's exactly what I said. You don't go after Player X. You go after the best player on Player X's team.
- jmatchett383

Gotcha. I think I thought you were saying that Flyers need Jay Rosehill in the lineup or else a player X would injure Giroux, thereby keeping him out of the lineup all season.

or you could say

AHLer-Schenn-Voracek
guy that hopefully discovers hands-VLC-the next Ross trophy recipient
20 year old bust-AHLer-decent prospect
the guy no one around here likes-AHLer-really fast goon

AMac-Coburn
A man held together with duct tape-Streit
A really big kid-a really small kid

Mason/Rob "please change your 1st name to Led" Zepp


- BiggE

You win the internet today. Loved it!

You deserve a big kiss!

Gotcha. I think I thought you were saying that Flyers need Jay Rosehill in the lineup or else a player X would injure Giroux, thereby keeping him out of the lineup all season.
- mcefalu

No, just playing Devil's advocate.