Exacatly
Play the fricken kids if its close or they will never learn and well we will be the flames
- The_Kuze

or they could learn more in another season where they get all the big minutes in all the big situations. as opposed to being stapled to the bench much of the game on many nights.

I realize that fans want to rush the kids. trust me.

but I don't think there's been too many situations where a kid was hurt getting sent back to junior. but theres been a lot of situations where a career may have been stunted by getting thrown in too soon.
and we're not talking an elite mackinnon type. bo horvat is a very solid two player that is most likely going to be a very good nhl'er. but he certainly hasn't exhausted any learning curves at a lesser level

By that logic Sestito's our best 4th liner....
- Nucker101

Never said that. I said Richardson is not a crusher or he doesn't strike fear into opponents.

I think Dorsett is an ideal 4 th liner and we need to find two more like him.

No - he should have traded Schneider a year earlier and kept Luongo.
- LeftCoaster

Either way, he out-waited himself and overplayed his hand unless of course teams were only offering that much for Schneider in the first place(we can only speculate).

That's exactly what the constant bottom feeders do. Play the kids even if they're not totally confident that they'll succeed or are ready and if they fail "well get a couple of new ones to rush next year!". Rinse and repeat.


I'm not saying they're not ready for sure, but like Booner said, let's see how Horvat handles his first 9 games. That should give everyone a good idea.

Shinkaruk is easier to handle, he plays the wing, and can be sent down or called up whenever.
- Nucker101

Bottom feeders don't surround the kids with leadership of Bieksa Hamhuis Henrik Burrows.

They get thrown to the wolves with the leadership of a kid two years older than them

Either way, he out-waited himself and overplayed his hand unless of course teams were only offering that much for Schneider in the first place(we can only speculate).
- Nucker101

Ya - water under the bridge but that's how I would have like to see it play out.

Exacatly
Play the fricken kids if its close or they will never learn and well we will be the flames
- The_Kuze

No kidding,

Shink is all heart out there. The kids excitement is absolutely infectious. I don't know about you guys but I dont want to watch Hansen fly around the outside and whiff on every empty net that comes his way all year. I like Sestito but he's expendable with Dorsett.

Sedin Sedin Vrbata
Shinkaruk Bonino Kassian/Burrows
Higgens Vey/Horvat Kassian/Burrows
Matthias Horvat/Vey Dorsett
Richardson

Boom. That is all.

Never said that. I said Richardson is not a crusher or he doesn't strike fear into opponents.

I think Dorsett is an ideal 4 th liner and we need to find two more like him.
- VANTEL

Richardson is a good team guy, he'll be the first guy on the ice to protect the crease in a scrum, or help out a teammate in one. He's solid in faceoffs, has good speed, decent hands for a 4th liner, solid in all 3 zones and can PK. Hell, he even handled the L3C role last year decently and put up 11 goals with assists. He can also play all 3 forward spots.

Sure he's not a hitting machine or a goon, but I'd gladly take him as a 4LC on even a contending team.

Him and Dorsett could form a very solid 4th liner obviously you'd like to see the 3rd member of the line be a bit bigger, but this is the happiest I've been about a 4th line in a long time. I wish we had these guys back when we had enough scoring from the top 6/9 and had plugs like Ryan Johnson, Alex Bolduc, Victor Oreskovich, Tanner Glass, etc.

Bottom feeders don't surround the kids with leadership of Bieksa Hamhuis Henrik Burrows.

They get thrown to the wolves with the leadership of a kid two years older than them
- VANTEL

Bingo. You need to insulate young players. Pretty sure the Sedins liked having Naslund, Morrison, Bertuzzi ahead of them while they were learning the ropes

Richardson is a good team guy, he'll be the first guy on the ice to protect the crease in a scrum, or help out a teammate in one. He's solid in faceoffs, has good speed, decent hands for a 4th liner, solid in all 3 zones and can PK. Hell, he even handled the L3C role last year decently and put up 11 goals with assists. He can also play all 3 forward spots.

Sure he's not a hitting machine or a goon, but I'd gladly take him as a 4LC on even a contending team.

Him and Dorsett could form a very solid 4th liner obviously you'd like to see the 3rd member of the line be a bit bigger, but this is the happiest I've been about a 4th line in a long time. I wish we had these guys back when we had enough scoring from the top 6/9 and had plugs like Ryan Johnson, Alex Bolduc, Victor Oreskovich, Tanner Glass, etc.
- Nucker101

He's a perfect 4th line center if you're looking for them to eat up ten minutes and chip in offensively and be good defensively!!

or they could learn more in another season where they get all the big minutes in all the big situations. as opposed to being stapled to the bench much of the game on many nights.

I realize that fans want to rush the kids. trust me.

but I don't think there's been too many situations where a kid was hurt getting sent back to junior. but theres been a lot of situations where a career may have been stunted by getting thrown in too soon.
and we're not talking an elite mackinnon type. bo horvat is a very solid two player that is most likely going to be a very good nhl'er. but he certainly hasn't exhausted any learning curves at a lesser level
- hugefemale dog77

Horvat learns zero dominating junior again absolutely zero. He wins faces offs hes big defensively not going to hurt you and will put up points who on this team is a better third line fit absolutely nobody. richardson is perfect for 4th and they can switch if horvat stumbles those two are a match made in heaven. richardson is horvats safety net but horvat has a high high ceiling it is incredibly ideal and we are lucky. vey will replace hansen or burrows or kassian. Shink is on the team and itwill be an absolute crime if he isnt

Bottom feeders don't surround the kids with leadership of Bieksa Hamhuis Henrik Burrows.

They get thrown to the wolves with the leadership of a kid two years older than them
- VANTEL

But the risk with Horvat is that you either burn off a year off his ELC by sending him back down midseason(so he becomes a RFA and UFA one year earlier now) if he hits like a 10 game slump where he just doesn't look like he's ready after an OK first 9 games. Or you keep him up and really hurt his development while he's in and out of the lineup and getting low minutes.

Richardson is a good team guy, he'll be the first guy on the ice to protect the crease in a scrum, or help out a teammate in one. He's solid in faceoffs, has good speed, decent hands for a 4th liner, solid in all 3 zones and can PK. Hell, he even handled the L3C role last year decently and put up 11 goals with assists. He can also play all 3 forward spots.

Sure he's not a hitting machine or a goon, but I'd gladly take him as a 4LC on even a contending team.

Him and Dorsett could form a very solid 4th liner obviously you'd like to see the 3rd member of the line be a bit bigger, but this is the happiest I've been about a 4th line in a long time. I wish we had these guys back when we had enough scoring from the top 6/9 and had plugs like Ryan Johnson, Alex Bolduc, Victor Oreskovich, Tanner Glass, etc.
- Nucker101

I agree about this being the best 4 th line in a decade on the Canucks , I was just stating a poit to HugeB that Richardson is not a crusher.

Richardson is a good team guy, he'll be the first guy on the ice to protect the crease in a scrum, or help out a teammate in one. He's solid in faceoffs, has good speed, decent hands for a 4th liner, solid in all 3 zones and can PK. Hell, he even handled the L3C role last year decently and put up 11 goals with assists. He can also play all 3 forward spots.

Sure he's not a hitting machine or a goon, but I'd gladly take him as a 4LC on even a contending team.

Him and Dorsett could form a very solid 4th liner obviously you'd like to see the 3rd member of the line be a bit bigger, but this is the happiest I've been about a 4th line in a long time. I wish we had these guys back when we had enough scoring from the top 6/9 and had plugs like Ryan Johnson, Alex Bolduc, Victor Oreskovich, Tanner Glass, etc.
- Nucker101

Love richardson as well but one of the reason we sucked was he was our third line center and not our 4th. hes a 3rd line center on a bad team and a 4th on a good team and we need to try and replace him on the 3rd with a young guy and hope it works if not then hes 3rd line again for the year

But the risk with Horvat is that you either burn off a year off his ELC by sending him back down midseason(so he becomes a RFA and UFA one year earlier now) if he hits like a 10 game slump where he just doesn't look like he's ready after an OK first 9 games. Or you keep him up and really hurt his development while he's in and out of the lineup and getting low minutes.
- Nucker101

Horvat will make us better who cares the risk thats why this team sucks now play who is best or has best potential while we still have leaders for the next 3 years

But the risk with Horvat is that you either burn off a year off his ELC by sending him back down midseason(so he becomes a RFA and UFA one year earlier now) if he hits like a 10 game slump where he just doesn't look like he's ready after an OK first 9 games. Or you keep him up and really hurt his development while he's in and out of the lineup and getting low minutes.
- Nucker101

when's the last time a canuck player who was in his prime left the canucks as a UFA? hasn't been one in years. Vancouver can afford top players and players want to play here. Last guy i can think of off the top of my head was Jovo, and he was early 30's i think when he left.

Never said that. I said Richardson is not a crusher or he doesn't strike fear into opponents.

I think Dorsett is an ideal 4 th liner and we need to find two more like him.
- VANTEL

Lain and Archibald I hope

when's the last time a canuck player who was in his prime left the canucks as a UFA? hasn't been one in years. Vancouver can afford top players and players want to play here. Last guy i can think of off the top of my head was Jovo, and he was early 30's i think when he left.
- Mungo

kesler.... never saw ufa nevermind lol

ehrhoff comes to mind

Bottom feeders don't surround the kids with leadership of Bieksa Hamhuis Henrik Burrows.

They get thrown to the wolves with the leadership of a kid two years older than them
- VANTEL

very true

thats why id keep richardson, you want that work ethic to rub off on them and he seems quite vocal to his line mates.

I don't know if Id put burrows down as a leader though. He plays his game, and I guess in the earlier years lead by putting it all on the ice....but will he do that again? he looked pretty lethargic last night

(I like how you left daniel off your list )

But the risk with Horvat is that you either burn off a year off his ELC by sending him back down midseason(so he becomes a RFA and UFA one year earlier now) if he hits like a 10 game slump where he just doesn't look like he's ready after an OK first 9 games. Or you keep him up and really hurt his development while he's in and out of the lineup and getting low minutes.
- Nucker101

We did that with Coho too. iIf Horvat was on the Islanders he would be playing and producing. Look at Monahan last year.

We are no longer cup contenders , it is ok to give the kids a chance.

Dave Tomlinson said today, kids usually get sent back because they are still in a kids body. He said Horvat is in a man size body and looks like he can keep up with the pounding.

Horvat will make us better who cares the risk thats why this team sucks now play who is best or has best potential while we still have leaders for the next 3 years
- The_Kuze

here's the crux.

you're convinced the 19 year old unproven nhl'er is the best option.

this is far from a proven fact.

when's the last time a canuck player who was in his prime left the canucks as a UFA? hasn't been one in years. Vancouver can afford top players and players want to play here. Last guy i can think of off the top of my head was Jovo, and he was early 30's i think when he left.
- Mungo

Last guy was Ehrhoff but Torres comes to mind as well.

when's the last time a canuck player who was in his prime left the canucks as a UFA? hasn't been one in years. Vancouver can afford top players and players want to play here. Last guy i can think of off the top of my head was Jovo, and he was early 30's i think when he left.
- Mungo

It's not just about leaving, it's saving cap. The more RFA years, the better it is for cap management. Plus you'd get him still on his ELC until he's 24, instead of 23. Believe it or not little things like that matter to GM''s and can make a big difference.

Like I said, if he's a pleasant surprise in his first 9 games it makes sense, but if he's just OK in those games then why keep him up?

I agree about this being the best 4 th line in a decade on the Canucks , I was just stating a poit to HugeB that Richardson is not a crusher.
- VANTEL

he's a workhorse energy player. does the dirty work blocking shots and working the boards.

Rather have him on the 4th then sesito.

Last guy was Ehrhoff but Torres comes to mind as well.
- belcherbd

Not exactly franchise players.

We did that with Coho too. iIf Horvat was on the Islanders he would be playing and producing. Look at Monahan last year.

We are no longer cup contenders , it is ok to give the kids a chance.

Dave Tomlinson said today, kids usually get sent back because they are still in a kids body. He said Horvat is in a man size body and looks like he can keep up with the pounding.
- VANTEL

See post above. If he shows he's ready to make this team better then I'm all for it. Otherwise no thanks.