Out...but I do wonder if Morin's will be delayed for a week or so
- AllInForFlyers

Quite possibly
I haven't been at all impressed with MDZ so far

But I'd still be shocked if Morin is with team for game #11

He's generally been very meh. Certainly nothing to be excited about.
- Jsaquella

Looked good on the PK to me.

Not me. My view of Rinaldo is that he's not shown a lot of improvement as a player over his three NHL seasons, and is still prone to taking too many bad penalties. He's undisciplined in terms of playing within a system and staying out of the box, and he's not skilled enough to overcome that, IMO.

He's been little more than a pest at every level. In juniors he was a pest. In the AHL he was a pest, in the NHL he's been a pest. Generally guys that become pests at the NHL level were still pretty good players in junior.

Ian Laperriere had two 100+ point seasons in junior, including a 140 point season. Sean Avery and Steve Ott were putting up PPG seasons as junior guys. Rinaldo was a low scoring junior player.

Every once in awhile he'll show a flash, but it's rarely anything more than that
- Jsaquella

exactly

Not me. My view of Rinaldo is that he's not shown a lot of improvement as a player over his three NHL seasons, and is still prone to taking too many bad penalties. He's undisciplined in terms of playing within a system and staying out of the box, and he's not skilled enough to overcome that, IMO.

He's been little more than a pest at every level. In juniors he was a pest. In the AHL he was a pest, in the NHL he's been a pest. Generally guys that become pests at the NHL level were still pretty good players in junior.

Ian Laperriere had two 100+ point seasons in junior, including a 140 point season. Sean Avery and Steve Ott were putting up PPG seasons as junior guys. Rinaldo was a low scoring junior player.

Every once in awhile he'll show a flash, but it's rarely anything more than that
- Jsaquella

With the strength in numbers we have of guys that look like they can contribute to the 3rd and 4th lines it really is a head scratcher.

I get it. The Flyers refuse to be outgooned. So if you play Buffalo and they're gonna dress Scott then you ice Rinaldo. Why McGinn didn't get a bigger shot last year, why Leier isn't getting more of a shot now... it's just baffling.

Looked good on the PK to me.
- SuperSchennBros

Umberger? Yes, he's looked solid on the PK. He's struggled at 5 on 5.

Quite possibly
I haven't been at all impressed with MDZ so far

But I'd still be shocked if Morin is with team for game #11
- BiggE

Me, too -- but man. This is my first extended look at him, and yeah, I can see why people talk about seeing Chris Pronger's game in him. There are things he does where he looks eerily similar.

Again, before somebody jumps all down my throat: I know he's not ready. But that's one interesting prospect the Flyers have

Morin and coburn much better than amac and coburn

Umberger? Yes, he's looked solid on the PK. He's struggled at 5 on 5.
- Jsaquella

Rinaldo, just now. While pressuring the right point man while the penalty was able to expire. You and I weren't talking about Umberger.

Bellemare + Akeson developing some sparks... get them a LW that can actually play and things could get interesting.

Bellemare + Akeson developing some sparks... get them a LW that can actually play and things could get interesting.
- Tomahawk

Akeson might've needed tonight a little more than he would've liked

Bellemare + Akeson developing some sparks... get them a LW that can actually play and things could get interesting.
- Tomahawk

Or just Laughton, heck even Jones I'd settle for

Me, too -- but man. This is my first extended look at him, and yeah, I can see why people talk about seeing Chris Pronger's game in him. There are things he does where he looks eerily similar.

Again, before somebody jumps all down my throat: I know he's not ready. But that's one interesting prospect the Flyers have
- AllInForFlyers

Yup, between him, Sanheim, Ghost and Hagg things are looking good for our future D

Bellemare + Akeson developing some sparks... get them a LW that can actually play and things could get interesting.
- Tomahawk

Put Laughton between em or Leier on their left

Rinaldo, just now. While pressuring the right point man while the penalty was able to expire. You and I weren't talking about Umberger.
- SuperSchennBros

Actually, we were.

You said you think you were becoming disappointed with Umberger again and I said he's been very unnoticeable.

Then you said you've noticed him. That's why I thought you were talking Umberger.

Yes, Rinaldo has been pretty solid in pre-season. But just like not getting too worked up over the struggles of some players, I'm not going to get too excited that he's turned a corner over pre-season games.

Put Laughton between em or Leier on their left
- BiggE

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Lecavalier-Umerger
Bellmare-Laughton-Akeson

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Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Lecavalier-Umerger
Bellmare-Laughton-Akeson

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- SuperSchennBros

Rinaldo - Vinny - Umberger
Raffl - Bellemare - Akeson

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Lecavalier-Umerger
Bellmare-Laughton-Akeson

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- SuperSchennBros

Akeson or Jones
like either more than Rinaldo

Actually, we were.

You said you think you were becoming disappointed with Umberger again and I said he's been very unnoticeable.

Then you said you've noticed him. That's why I thought you were talking Umberger.

Yes, Rinaldo has been pretty solid in pre-season. But just like not getting too worked up over the struggles of some players, I'm not going to get too excited that he's turned a corner over pre-season games.
- Jsaquella

I said I was becoming disappointed with Umberger to someone else and someone else responded.

The whole time you and I were talking, I thought we were talking about Rinaldo.

I said I was becoming disappointed with Umberger to someone else and someone else responded.

The whole time you and I were talking, I thought we were talking about Rinaldo.
- SuperSchennBros

I just saw you mention you were disappointed in Umberger. I replied, more or less, that I agreed.

Sorry for the confusion.

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Lecavalier-Umerger
Bellmare-Laughton-Akeson

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- SuperSchennBros

I like this line up. Swap Rinaldo in for Akeson when the other team decides to goon up their roster.

IIRC Hextall said for a kid to make this team he would have to clearly out play a veteran to do so

IMO Morin has clearly outplayed both AMac and MDZ

just sayin...

Bellemare + Akeson developing some sparks... get them a LW that can actually play and things could get interesting.
- Tomahawk

I have, on occasion, seen a Rinaldo who can pass and puck-handle pretty decently. If he can bring that game a bit more often, he'd be an acceptable winger, i think.

I just saw you mention you were disappointed in Umberger. I replied, more or less, that I agreed.

Sorry for the confusion.
- Jsaquella

Going over your original statement, we're on the same page.

I've liked what I've seen from Rinaldo, who nobody should have a real expectation for but should at least throw the guy a bone if he's done something right or well.

Umberger I thought played really good in his first preseason game against Washington. Since then, he's been average at best. Five on five, he's lost me.

No apology needed, sir.

IIRC Hextall said for a kid to make this team he would have to clearly out play a veteran to do so

IMO Morin has clearly outplayed both AMac and MDZ

just sayin...
- BiggE

He has but he still needs more experience.

They aren't going to trade AMac this week over Morin and Ghost having a strong preseason.

When Morin does eventually come up I think it will be at the expense of Grossmann.

IIRC Hextall said for a kid to make this team he would have to clearly out play a veteran to do so

IMO Morin has clearly outplayed both AMac and MDZ

just sayin...
- BiggE

So has Ghost, and to be quite honest, Hagg