I think you would need to get more then just the number one pick. Giroux is a proven commodity and his deal in a year or too will be cap friendly based on his output.
- J35Bacher

Whichever couple of teams are lucky (and bad) enough to get those two picks will not be trading them... for anyone.

Coburn was awful in Monday's game and hasn't had a good preseason in general. He's been fine at practice, though, and played fine last night paired with Morin. The pairing with MacDonald has yet to really click in a game.

Berube publicly laced into the veterans as a whole after Sunday and Monday, and also threw down the gauntlet after the morning skate yesterday. His voice wasn't raised. He was calm. Even so, the message was clear.
- bmeltzer

Bill how bout putting cob urn and grossmann back together? I thought they played pretty well together before.

Seriously? Us guys are upset about having ice girls and now u wanna trade Giroux for a draft pick? I'm gonna be killing a bottle of redstag to listen to this
- JoeRussomanno

U sharing?

U sharing?
- TheGreat28

Always

It's funny how quickly the preseason pundit consensus that Hagg was our most NHL-ready D prospect has evaporated. I agreed with it myself, but Morin is way ahead of where I thought he would be.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
Sources tell me Flyers are considering keeping Morin around for some NHL games after next wk before making final decision. He's impressive

The Lindros angle is interesting. On one hand, because of his status as The Next One, it really energized the fan base. I remember sitting in my car in the parking lot at work when the ruling was announced. That day even my boss couldn't tick me off.

That deal was also bigger because it was a 5 for 1, which made the expectations even higher. A straight up deal wouldn't carry as much weight.

Bigger con would be that G is an immensely popular player. And probably even more important, it would signal to the fan base that they really do need to rebuild, not retool.
- TheGreat28

This isn't 5 prospects/vets though, it's a bonafide star and face of the franchise. McDavid would have to be as good but probably better than Giroux for everyone to be happy. If the Flyers were in really bad shape, I'd say sure but I don't think they're that far off from being a real contender. Some young guys pan out + the right trades/FA acquisitions and they could be up there with the best of the best. All this considered, the risk is too much, but definitely food for thought.

It's funny how quickly the preseason pundit consensus that Hagg was our most NHL-ready D prospect has evaporated. I agreed with it myself, but Morin is way ahead of where I thought he would be.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
Sources tell me Flyers are considering keeping Morin around for some NHL games after next wk before making final decision. He's impressive
- Feanor

I think he stays

Whichever couple of teams are lucky (and bad) enough to get those two picks will not be trading them... for anyone.
- Tomahawk

That was actually my initial thought. It would have to be a team that suffered one or two major injuries and significantly slipped in the standings because of them. A team that might think they are close enough to make some waves, and maybe needs some revenue from a deep run or two. Someone who would benefit from a more established player NOW rather than a generational player 3 years from now.

This isn't 5 prospects/vets though, it's a bonafide star and face of the franchise. McDavid would have to be as good but probably better than Giroux for everyone to be happy. If the Flyers were in really bad shape, I'd say sure but I don't think they're that far off from being a real contender. Some young guys pan out + the right trades/FA acquisitions and they could be up there with the best of the best. All this considered, the risk is too much, but definitely food for thought.
- NickTheKid87

Ok I was starting to worry bout u

It's funny how quickly the preseason pundit consensus that Hagg was our most NHL-ready D prospect has evaporated. I agreed with it myself, but Morin is way ahead of where I thought he would be.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
Sources tell me Flyers are considering keeping Morin around for some NHL games after next wk before making final decision. He's impressive
- Feanor

I liked what I saw from Hagg. Seems like he's just going to be a steady eddy, all around player.

That was actually my initial thought. It would have to be a team that suffered one or two major injuries and significantly slipped in the standings because of them. A team that might think they are close enough to make some waves, and maybe needs some revenue from a deep run or two. Someone who would benefit from a more established player NOW rather than a generational player 3 years from now.
- TheGreat28

These two kids are probably turnkey superstars. They'll make any team better, whether it's a bottom-feeder, or a Cup contender.

I liked what I saw from Hagg. Seems like he's just going to be a steady eddy, all around player.
- MJL

Hagg looks very solid, but Morin has poise you just don't expect to see in a 19 year old, 6'7" defenseman, along with all his natural size advantages. And it seems like he plays up to the level of his competition.

It's funny how quickly the preseason pundit consensus that Hagg was our most NHL-ready D prospect has evaporated. I agreed with it myself, but Morin is way ahead of where I thought he would be.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
Sources tell me Flyers are considering keeping Morin around for some NHL games after next wk before making final decision. He's impressive
- Feanor

they should keep him for the 9 games. why the (frank) not? it's not like MDZ, Schenn, and Shultz are great players. Coburn, Amac, Streit and Grossmann are going to get the lion's share of the minutes anyway, and for good reason.

i for one, don't think he's 2 years away. he could be ready next year, if not even by the end of this season. just my opinion.

It's funny how quickly the preseason pundit consensus that Hagg was our most NHL-ready D prospect has evaporated. I agreed with it myself, but Morin is way ahead of where I thought he would be.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
Sources tell me Flyers are considering keeping Morin around for some NHL games after next wk before making final decision. He's impressive
- Feanor

I agree and I think a lot of it is Morin's skating ability and physical game. Even though Ghost has NHL caliber puck skills and skating, I don't think he is physically ready to handle the grind in the defensive zone of an NHL schedule.

Morin may not be able to drive possession forward very well, but he is huge and skates really well for a guy his size. I still want him to hone his offensive skills in his last year in juniors, but he's done well defensively during the preseason.

In regards to trading, I'll be shocked if none of those prospects are not moved at some point for a proven but not aged player that can step in and help us win now.

These two kids are probably turnkey superstars. They'll make any team better, whether it's a bottom-feeder, or a Cup contender.
- Tomahawk

It's interesting, but most people are arguing that they wouldn't trade G for either one of them. You're saying those teams wouldn't trade either player for G. I actually think you are right. But does that mean you would do the trade?

Coburn was awful in Monday's game and hasn't had a good preseason in general. He's been fine at practice, though, and played fine last night paired with Morin. The pairing with MacDonald has yet to really click in a game.

Berube publicly laced into the veterans as a whole after Sunday and Monday, and also threw down the gauntlet after the morning skate yesterday. His voice wasn't raised. He was calm. Even so, the message was clear.
- bmeltzer

The defense has always been a concern for me, whether or Timonen is here. Does Timonen make our D better? Sure he does, except you can almost watch his body wear down during games. We've had to rest him. He's had back and foot injures. Replace Timonen with MacDonald on a pair with Coburn to me is a step back. Signing Del Zotto as a replacement anywhere in the line up in my opinion is a step back. It is too early to worry but right now, I think many of us need to see more of our new recent pick ups.

I really liked Umberger in his first preseason game. After that, meh...

they should keep him for the 9 games. why the (frank) not? it's not like MDZ, Schenn, and Shultz are great players. Coburn, Amac, Striet and Grossman are going to get the lion's share of the minutes anyway, and for good reason.

i for one, don't think he's 2 years away. he could be ready next year, if not even by the end of this season. just my opinion.
- hammarby31

Didn't we have these discussions about couturier a few years ago? Granted he's not a blue liner but I just feel like Morin will be able to help this team now and still develop.

These two kids are probably turnkey superstars. They'll make any team better, whether it's a bottom-feeder, or a Cup contender.
- Tomahawk

If my team was bad enough to get the #1 pick, I would rather have the 18 year old potential star than the in-his-prime star. But if I was in the Flyers position, I'd take the star in his prime.

they should keep him for the 9 games. why the (frank) not? it's not like MDZ, Schenn, and Shultz are great players. Coburn, Amac, Streit and Grossmann are going to get the lion's share of the minutes anyway, and for good reason.

i for one, don't think he's 2 years away. he could be ready next year, if not even by the end of this season. just my opinion.
- hammarby31

Honestly, I don't think it would hurt to keep Morin for October.

It's interesting, but most people are arguing that they wouldn't trade G for either one of them. You're saying those teams wouldn't trade either player for G. I actually think you are right. But does that mean you would do the trade?
- TheGreat28

I'm saying that kind of trade doesn't make sense for either side involved.

Flyers already have a superstar player in G that they know. There would be an element of risk trading him for a relative unknown commodity.

For the teams w/ the picks, they get the best NHL prospects since Crosby/OV/Malkin... on ELC's. Why would they want to spend $8M/year when they could be spending a fraction for (likely) similar production?

Didn't we have these discussions about couturier a few years ago? Granted he's not a blue liner but I just feel like Morin will be able to help this team now and still develop.
- JoeRussomanno

I don't think anyone one prospect - Laughton, Morin, or Ghost - would substantially change the teams fortunes this year. A few games in the standings? Sure. But it could easily blow up too. Why risk it? You have to make this decision for tomorrow. For the team's tomorrow, and for Morin's tomorrow.

As long as they feel he can be adequately coached in the minors, then he's better dominating there and fixing any flaws in his game out of the spotlight of Philly and the talent of the NHL.

I'm just glad we're even having the conversation. I really hated the pick at the time. Not ready to anoint him the next Chara yet but he is developing at a faster clip than I thought.

we should trade coburn and keep morin up

Do you think they will be legit cup contenders in the next 3 years? What moves do they need to make to get there?

Assume one or preferably two of Morin/Ghost/Sanheim need to develop into a legitimate number 1 dman. Hagg and the others need to round out a strong top 4. Even if that happens, they are still not top 3 in the league without additional moves.

So what else do they do?
- TheGreat28

You're right. Nashville doesn't look like they'll be a Stanley Cup Contender any time soon, they should trade Shea Weber for next year's #1 pick who may or may not be equally as good.

See how silly that sounds?

If my team was bad enough to get the #1 pick, I would rather have the 18 year old potential star than the in-his-prime star. But if I was in the Flyers position, I'd take the star in his prime.
- NickTheKid87

I'm saying that kind of trade doesn't make sense for either side involved.

Flyers already have a superstar player in G that they know. There would be an element of risk trading him for a relative unknown commodity.

For the teams w/ the picks, they get the best NHL prospects since Crosby/OV/Malkin... on ELC's. Why would they want to spend $8M/year when they could be spending a fraction for (likely) similar production?
- Tomahawk

Both are good points. Fun little interlude. We now return you to your regularly scheduled Morin debate.