He actually turns 40 in nine days time. Holmgren wasn't the only confused about his birthday.
- Feanor

Why, that's less than a fortnight!!

He was that old at that time r sure?
- JoeRussomanno

He was 34 at the time of the trade, his extension started when he was 35.

Keep morin up?
- JoeRussomanno

yes

And he was almost 35 and wanted a huge, multi-year deal.

Looking back it seems weird that Holmgren gave him $450K short of $35 million. All that had done is make doing capgeek calculations a pain, and burned the number 4941429 into my brain.
- Feanor

If we bring money into it, G is sucking up 8 mil too. Let's face it, they traded Carter and Richards partially because of money (cap space needed to sign Bryz). And while they got good packages back, none of the players they got back are generational superstars either.

If we bring money into it, G is sucking up 8 mil too. Let's face it, they traded Carter and Richards partially because of money (cap space needed to sign Bryz). And while they got good packages back, none of the players they got back are generational superstars either.
- TheGreat28

Show me the evidence that McDavid is a generational NHL superstar talent.

He was that old at that time r sure?
- JoeRussomanno

He was traded to us on 7/27/09.

He turned 35 on 10/10/09.

He was 34 at the time of the trade, his extension started when he was 35.
- jmatchett383

R we talking about Gretzky?

He actually turns 40 in nine days time.
- Feanor

Ha! 38, 40, 42 -- it's sad to say because I don't want to rip anyone in particular, but (frank), it's frustrating that a 40-year-old Chris Pronger would've been better than everyone we've got, and a 39-year-old Kimmo Timonen would be damn close.

He was traded to us on 7/27/09.

He turned 35 on 10/10/09.
- Feanor

Sorry bro I'm helping my kid with hw

R we talking about Gretzky?
- JoeRussomanno

Pronger

R we talking about Gretzky?
- JoeRussomanno

Pronger

Which, by the way, he had earned and was still earning when he was injured.

I have little doubt right now that Pronger, at age 38, would still be our best defenseman by a country mile.
- AllInForFlyers

You know, everyone assumes this. But remember, he missed 50 games or so the year before the eye injury due to knee problems, and had back issues as well. I personally don't think it was a given that he'd be able to maintain that level of play.

If your statement is true, it is more likely an indictment of the current crop of defenseman.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that both B. Schenn and Voracek will outscore B. Ryan this year.
- jmatchett383

Pretty confident about Voraceck, and I think Schenn could be closer than most might think, if not outright.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that both B. Schenn and Voracek will outscore B. Ryan this year.
- jmatchett383

we'll b ryan isn't playing with giroux

If we bring money into it, G is sucking up 8 mil too. Let's face it, they traded Carter and Richards partially because of money (cap space needed to sign Bryz). And while they got good packages back, none of the players they got back are generational superstars either.
- TheGreat28

This is mostly semantics but it's some food for thought: how many generational superstars have there ever been? I'd say Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Lindros and Crosby. I'm sure you could make a case for Maurice Richard, Phil Esposito, etc. but I never saw them play obviously so I am hesitant to say.

yes
- Crimsoninja

If we bring money into it, G is sucking up 8 mil too. Let's face it, they traded Carter and Richards partially because of money (cap space needed to sign Bryz). And while they got good packages back, none of the players they got back are generational superstars either.
- TheGreat28

Sounds like someone feels that number 28 is no longer so great

EDIT

Show me the evidence that McDavid is a generational NHL superstar talent.
- jmatchett383

Uh, just google it.

we'll b ryan isn't playing with giroux
- 2Real

But that's my point. Assuming we'd have to move assets to fit Ryan under the cap next season, why not take 2 guys who will have no problem filling the net? How much do you really think Giroux would increase his production by? 6, maybe 7 goals?

Uh, just google it.
- TheGreat28

I can't find any of his NHL stats. Are you referring to the one quote by Crosby saying McDavid at 16 was better than Crosby at 16?

I can't find any of his NHL stats. Are you referring to the one quote by Crosby saying McDavid at 16 was better than Crosby at 16?
- jmatchett383

Hmm, maybe you should try a yahoo search then? Or Bing

But that's my point. Assuming we'd have to move assets to fit Ryan under the cap next season, why not take 2 guys who will have no problem filling the net? How much do you really think Giroux would increase his production by? 6, maybe 7 goals?
- jmatchett383

Ryan Giroux Voracek
Schenn Couturier Simmonds
Akeson Laughton Read

problem solved

Sounds like someone feels that number 28 is no longer so great

EDIT
- mcefalu

Oh, I see what you did there

No, still my favorite player. Not just Flyer. But player. And favorite since Lindros.

Again, the issue is not with G. It's that I think the Flyers won't compete until these young defensemen are all on the roster, have a couple of years under the belt AND at least one of them is a legit #1.

Would they be better off with a 23 year old superstar or a 30 year old superstar?

Oh, I see what you did there

No, still my favorite player. Not just Flyer. But player. And favorite since Lindros.

Again, the issue is not with G. It's that I think the Flyers won't compete until these young defensemen are all on the roster, have a couple of years under the belt AND at least one of them is a legit #1.

Would they be better off with a 23 year old superstar or a 30 year old superstar?
- TheGreat28

Again, you're assuming a player who's never played an NHL game is a surefire superstar. Maybe he's the next Gretzky. Maybe the next Lecavalier. Maybe the next Patrick Stefan. Maybe the next Own Nolan.

Oh, I see what you did there

No, still my favorite player. Not just Flyer. But player. And favorite since Lindros.

Again, the issue is not with G. It's that I think the Flyers won't compete until these young defensemen are all on the roster, have a couple of years under the belt AND at least one of them is a legit #1.

Would they be better off with a 23 year old superstar or a 30 year old superstar?
- TheGreat28

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