I can't imagine i have much competition there. I actually voted no in the independence vote, lack of preparation from the yes side was worrisome.

As for the rest, I bet Moulson could come up with plenty of nice things to say about any nhl team that was prepared to pay him 5 mil a year for 5 years, if i remember correctly we were the highest offer in the end.

Plus how do you know he'll score 20-30 goals in every year of his contract? Can you really say that he'll be good for 25 or so goals at 34 on our 3rd line (I'm assuming by then our young guns would have taken hold of the top six).
- Sabresfan-365

How do you know he won't score ? Not from his performance in pre season . He said the great things about Nolan and Buffalo before he ever got the new contract here . four years from now when he is on 3rd line 5 Million will be minimal relative to the Salary cap and he will still be mentoring.

Spend your energy over throwing the monarchy and quit being a negative nelly.

Can find leadership for a lot less.
- Sabresfan-365

doesn't it mean more if your leadership can actually do somethign to? I understand if you get someone like Jagr who had a name for himself, but if you get leadership cheap the result is going to be cheap. I would rather spend a few extra bucks and have moulson, gionta and gorges instead of have Smyth and andy sutton

Because I already mentioned it in other posts, didn't feel like re typing but here goes.

50pts and 19/20 goals at this point is probably his ceiling given where the sabres are as an organization. He was never a great skater to begin with and scored most of his goals the dirty way. As he gets up there in age, I find it hard to believe that he'll be able to put up the numbers that originally warranted 5 million dollars per year.
- Sabresfan-365

See, here's the thing, in 3 years the rest of the team around him should (in theory) be better. So he won't need to do as much on his own and probably won't garner the most attention from the top players on the other side of the ice. So even if his play does tail off a bit, it's still very possible that he could put up the same amount of points.

And like Stripes said, in 3 years, $5 mil could be the going rate for 3rd line players anyway.

But that's the other bit i'm questioning, did he want to be here or did he want to be here at 5 million dollars a year for 5 years? Based off what I remember from july 1st, he likes buffalo, but he likes at his price.
- Sabresfan-365

His agent called Buffalo first because this is where he wanted to play. It's close to his family and he likes playing for Nolan.

How do you know he won't score ? Not from his performance in pre season . He said the great things about Nolan and Buffalo before he ever got the new contract here . four years from now when he is on 3rd line 5 Million will be minimal relative to the Salary cap and he will still be mentoring.

Spend your energy over throwing the monarchy and quit being a negative nelly.
- Maximum Signal

He's not really being negative. Just skeptical of the contract length. Which I am too. If he continues to score 18-25 goals in 2-3 years, it's a non issue

But that's the other bit i'm questioning, did he want to be here or did he want to be here at 5 million dollars a year for 5 years? Based off what I remember from july 1st, he likes buffalo, but he likes at his price.
- Sabresfan-365

Pretty sure the rumors were already out there he was coming back after we dealt him to Minny. Take that and what he said when he left here compared to what was said when he left the Island. Sure getting paid helps I can't argue that but it is safe to assume he honestly liked Buffalo.

doesn't it mean more if your leadership can actually do somethign to? I understand if you get someone like Jagr who had a name for himself, but if you get leadership cheap the result is going to be cheap. I would rather spend a few extra bucks and have moulson, gionta and gorges instead of have Smyth and andy sutton
- IndianaSabresFan

This.


Just because a guy is on the wrong side of 30 doesn't mean they're going to hit a wall and not be productive either. There are plenty that I can think of that that could be said about.

How do you know he won't score ? Not from his performance in pre season . He said the great things about Nolan and Buffalo before he ever got the new contract here . four years from now when he is on 3rd line 5 Million will be minimal relative to the Salary cap and he will still be mentoring.

Spend your energy over throwing the monarchy and quit being a negative nelly.
- Maximum Signal

Is this monarchy/independence talk really necessary?

But that's the other bit i'm questioning, did he want to be here or did he want to be here at 5 million dollars a year for 5 years? Based off what I remember from july 1st, he likes buffalo, but he likes at his price.
- Sabresfan-365

He wants to be here . He grew up just over the border . Married a girl from New York state ( Jonathan Quick's sister in law ). His sister plays for Niagara purple eagles , He graduated from Cornell .

doesn't it mean more if your leadership can actually do somethign to? I understand if you get someone like Jagr who had a name for himself, but if you get leadership cheap the result is going to be cheap. I would rather spend a few extra bucks and have moulson, gionta and gorges instead of have Smyth and andy sutton
- IndianaSabresFan

I suppose this is where my opinion differs from most and I can respect that but if it were up to me (at least for this year) i would have gone that route but I can see the value of both.

Pretty sure the rumors were already out there he was coming back after we dealt him to Minny. Take that and what he said when he left here compared to what was said when he left the Island. Sure getting paid helps I can't argue that but it is safe to assume he honestly liked Buffalo.
- Stripes77

Agreed, i imagine he does but he could just as easily be a member of the leafs right now. There's a lot of hype around his return as if he did us a favour and took a pay cut to comeback. I bet he genuinely likes buffalo, but i bet he liked plenty other teams/cities as well.

He wants to be here . He grew up just over the border . Married a girl from New York state ( Jonathan Quick's sister in law ). His sister plays for Niagara purple eagles , He graduated from Cornell .



- Maximum Signal

Just over the border offered him close to what we did.

He's not really being negative. Just skeptical of the contract length. Which I am too. If he continues to score 18-25 goals in 2-3 years, it's a non issue
- sbroads24

Yes he is he can get someone cheaper . Moulson has outscored Ryan over the last few seasons who just got 7.25 million . I don't think his deal is bad . Years 4 and 5 of his deal our young talent will still need leadership and still we will not need massive money for them yet as the will probably be on bridge deals.

He wants to be here . He grew up just over the border . Married a girl from New York state ( Jonathan Quick's sister in law ). His sister plays for Niagara purple eagles , He graduated from Cornell .



- Maximum Signal

There's a difference between really wanting to be here, and being open to coming here, or back here in this case. Moulson was the latter, as evidenced by the check the Sabres are writing him.

I suppose this is where my opinion differs from most and I can respect that but if it were up to me (at least for this year) i would have gone that route but I can see the value of both.
- Sabresfan-365

That's easy for you to say. Try being a season ticket holder and feeling that way. It doesn't work. Trust me.

Just over the border offered him close to what we did.
- Sabresfan-365

Much higher taxes and way higher cost of living over the border . So was it a better deal ?

That's easy for you to say. Try being a season ticket holder and feeling that way. It doesn't work. Trust me.
- HonkFortheGoose

This is a valid/good point, easier for me to swallow because i'm not actually from the city or a season ticket holder

Much higher taxes and way higher cost of living over the border . So was it a better deal ?
- Maximum Signal

Well yea, it's a nicer city

Yes he is he can get someone cheaper . Moulson has outscored Ryan over the last few seasons who just got 7.25 million . I don't think his deal is bad . Years 4 and 5 of his deal our young talent will still need leadership and still we will not need massive money for them yet as the will probably be on bridge deals.
- Maximum Signal

This is where the logic goes south. Moulson's contract should be measured on its own merit. What the Senators did with Ryan should be irrelevant. If Moulson's contract is a bad one (which I think it is), all Bobby Ryan's contract means is that two teams made bad signings instead of one.

There's a difference between really wanting to be here, and being open to coming here, or back here in this case. Moulson was the latter, as evidenced by the check the Sabres are writing him.
- buffalofan19

I think he really wants to be here relative to all the other factors in his life . Sister at Niagara , growing up in Southern Ontario , His wife being from New York state , graduating from Cornell . The offer from the Sabres just made it a no brainer for him.

This is where the logic goes south. Moulson's contract should be measured on its own merit. What the Senators did with Ryan should be irrelevant. If Moulson's contract is a bad one (which I think it is), all Bobby Ryan's contract means is that two teams made bad signings instead of one.
- buffalofan19

How can say that and keep a straight face . Every contract is linked to every other one in the NHL . You think all these GM's don't keep track of them all relative to the attributes of said players.

New blog

Well yea, it's a nicer city
- Sabresfan-365

Really I have lived in Both . Buffalo is more attractive to me. A 300,000 dollar home in Amherst would cost you at least 1.5 Million in Toronto . Not near the traffic . Lower taxes . Lower cost of living . . Why do think there is a lot of retired players in Clarence and Amherst . Even Darryl Sittler . An All time Leafs heroe that never even played here.

How can say that and keep a straight face . Every contract is linked to every other one in the NHL . You think all these GM's don't keep track of them all relative to the attributes of said players.
- Maximum Signal

They absolutely keep track of what everyone else is doing. That does not eliminate the possibility that both players are being paid more than they're worth in any way, shape or form. Moulson's contract is a bad contract. He's not worth a 5 year deal to me. The fact that the Senators signed Bobby Ryan for 7 years doesn't change that. All it means is that both teams did something stupid.

So you can find a player in his prime that will score 20 - 30 goals a year ? Is a good character ? Looks forward to mentoring young players ? Likes the head coach and actually has come out and stated he likes the area ? When most players from other teams bash Buffalo. All for 5 million a season .
You always seem to have an answer. Problem is ,they are usually wrong . You should try and help over throw the British Monarchy over there . Set Scotland free . Stop being that guy . You have become the ugly Canadian Sabres fan living in Scotland.



- Maximum Signal

Max, this is a personal comment which is not at all warranted. I know it seems hard, but try and conduct yourself in a manner where you don't expose yourself to violations of the COC and potential banning going forward.

Thanks.