Is Luke Schenn (the guy they traded for) not a huge portion of this issue? Schenn is part of the reason our defense is a problem.
- jak521

He certainly could be, or he could be part of the solution. Which Luke Schenn are we going to see? The inconsistent defenseman, or the defenseman that has elevated his game at times?

Not at 7 million though. I would have picked him up next offseason if he would have taken a 5.5 mil contract with a nice home team discount.
- TheGreat28

Is this what Ryan got?

I believe this to be the case, yes. He's a teenager playing in the AHL. His contract will slide as though he's in juniors.

As long as he doesn't get recalled to the Flyers this season and play 10 or more games.
- bradleyc4

Yeah, Honka and Hagg look to be the only ones this year.

- tangent_man

Is this what Ryan got?
- SuperSchennBros

7.25 Cap hit is what's being reported.

Is this what Ryan got?
- SuperSchennBros

7 years, 7.25 per year. 50.75 million.

Sorry, but no way is he worth that.

I think he really did a nice job of leveraging the whole "I'd love to play for my home team" thing.

He'll be in Rimouski soon
- ob18

Sometimes, I think you would have kept Mario Lemieux in Junior til he was 20 too!

Btw, huge hat tip to Jsaq for the link to WOI. Could be better than ExtraSkater when they finally stabilize performance and make it usable on mobile:

http://war-on-ice.com/

They will still need to paper recall two of Hagg, Straka & Ghost to maximize cap space.
- Feanor

Why are you thinking this?

Right now, without Morin, they are just about over the cap by exactly Pronger's cap hit. So they LTIR Pronger before the season, but leave Timonen on the roster until after start of the season then LTIR him. That gives them Timonen's cap hit for the whole year. They've also maximized Pronger's hit by being over by the exact amount.

7.25 Cap hit is what's being reported.
- tangent_man

Well I can agree with many, Ryan isn't worth that. To me, that's a desperate way to keep a player they consider a star.

I disagree. If you pair Schenn with Timonen or MacDonald, he's fine. If you place him with Meszaros or Gustafsson, he struggles. The reason why he struggles seems obvious to me.
- SuperSchennBros

Because he isnt that good?

He certainly could be, or he could be part of the solution. Which Luke Schenn are we going to see? The inconsistent defenseman, or the defenseman that has elevated his game at times?
- MJL

Is that not a problem in and of itself?

They guy completely lacks any consistency, and when he is on is A ( more like B-) game he really isnt much better than Nik Grossmann. THAT is a problem.

7 years, 7.25 per year. 50.75 million.

Sorry, but no way is he worth that.

I think he really did a nice job of leveraging the whole "I'd love to play for my home team" thing.
- TheGreat28

But you really think Anaheim would sign him after he was traded by them?

Because he isnt that good?
- jak521

Wow, were you ever reaching to say that.

But you really think Anaheim would sign him after he was traded by them?
- jak521

But seriously, he lead Ottawa to believe that was an option too. Had them over a 50 million dollar barrel I guess.

Why are you thinking this?

Right now, without Morin, they are just about over the cap by exactly Pronger's cap hit. So they LTIR Pronger before the season, but leave Timonen on the roster until after start of the season then LTIR him. That gives them Timonen's cap hit for the whole year. They've also maximized Pronger's hit by being over by the exact amount.
- TheGreat28

It's complicated, but Feanor's right. Jsaq's plan of demoting Schultz and LTIR'ing White seems to be a bit more elegant, though.

Randy Miller is an idiot.

It's complicated, but Feanor's right. Jsaq's plan of demoting Schultz and LTIR'ing White seems to be a bit more elegant, though.
- Tomahawk

Ok, if the three of you believe it, I'm convinced.

But just to learn me a bit, what's the background? Per Cap Geek, with the current roster (including Schultz/White and excluding Morin) they are over by 4.936 million. Pronger is 4.941 million. They have 24 players on roster too. So they LTIR Pronger before the season and that gets them to the cap without any additional moves.

What am I missing?

smells like a sign and trade

Ok, if the three of you believe it, I'm convinced.

But just to learn me a bit, what's the background? Per Cap Geek, with the current roster (including Schultz/White and excluding Morin) they are over by 4.936 million. Pronger is 4.941 million. They have 24 players on roster too. So they LTIR Pronger before the season and that gets them to the cap without any additional moves.

What am I missing?
- TheGreat28

If Morin's on the roster, you have to account for him all throughout. He doesn't just appear after they LTIR Pronger.

If Morin's on the roster, you have to count him all throughout. He doesn't just appear after they LTIR Pronger.
- Tomahawk

Oh, ok I see the disconnect.

My point is that they need to send Morin down now because it will require too many moves to keep him, and risking a few waiver losses. It's not worth the 9 games, in my opinion. Especially when you throw in the potential impact to Schenn or MDZ's confidence.

He was the Michael Jordan of hockey too?!?!?
- aflyerpower8

who is that quote from, espo?

Oh, ok I see the disconnect.

My point is that they need to send Morin down now because it will require too many moves to keep him, and risking a few waiver losses. It's not worth the 9 games, in my opinion. Especially when you throw in the potential impact to Schenn or MDZ's confidence.
- TheGreat28

MDZ's confidence is a concern. I think that is his main problem. I think the Flyers need to plug him in and see what happens. If he falters and is still not playing at an acceptable level 15-20 games in...you think about bringing up Ghost or another youngster who may be ready to take the leap.

It's never a complaint of Steve Stamkos. It's a heavily-biased and undeserved criticism.
- bradleyc4

Well, Stamkos scores loads of goals and has a very resepectable shooting %.

who is that quote from, espo?
- twotoekenn

It was their owner at the time... man have they had a bunch of stupid owners.