Because the cap is calculated daily and there's really no need to do that amount of juggling. Morin is the only slide guy that might need 9 games. Hagg is a slide, but 9 games with the Phantoms will erase that.
- Jsaquella

So why did Detroit and Pittsburgh do it last season?

What happened to the dream of playing for the Flyers?
- MJL

He did grow up in Cherr.......Southern California, I mean.

So why did Detroit and Pittsburgh do it last season?
- Feanor

You're right in your premise with the lineup you posted. Just short by about 750K

He cant crack the 30 goal mark since being dealt from Philly.
- GOA88

Yeah...in the playoffs. 24 goals in 64 games, not too shabby. Only had 13 in 47 games before the trade.

I love Voracek, and I think he's going to get better and better. But Carter has the edge now.
- MJL

Thats easy to say cause of the LA Kings success. He rides the coattails of Doughty, Kopitar, Quick, Brown and Williams.

I love Voracek, and I think he's going to get better and better. But Carter has the edge now.
- MJL

I think Voracek's overall skill set is superior to Carter's.

My point is that Morin beating out guys in preseason is more of an indictment on the current vets than praise for Morin. If this team were the blackhawks and Morin was pushing for top 4 minutes, I would be tremendously impressed.

Going back to Juniors will allow him to work on parts of his game as well. He'll run the PP in Rimouski and he won't get much PP time in Philly.

Luke Schenn came to the NHL and played limited minutes and kept his game very simple. Unfortunately, keeping things simple never allowed him to develop his game in any other area. In juniors, he would have had the opportunity to do more.
- PhillySportsGuy

Agreed, though I'm cool with keeping him for a few games to (hopefully) light a fire under MDZ. However, once he goes back to Junior, and if MDZ continues to unimpress, I would waive or trade him and give a Ghost a shot.

Yep. No reason the #1 prospect wouldn't fall to 12th. I mean, can you imagine Patrick Stefan, Alexander "Can't Miss" Daigle, or Owen Nolan every falling that far? The hockey would be be stunned!
- jmatchett383

To be fair, nobody thought of those three as "generational" talents.

The batting avg for those kinds of guys has pretty much been 1000: Mario, Lafleur, OV, Crosby, Lindros, et al.

Overrated in that he's not as good of a player as some thinks he is. I agree he would play on the first line of the Flyers. He's a solid goal scorer, and a good winger.
- MJL

And JVR would have made this team much more better than L Schenn does.
One trade I wish Homer never made. I hated it at the time and I still do. Leafs fans thank me all the time. I think JVR is looked at as a 35 goal man and this is what he will do

Because the cap is calculated daily and there's really no need to do that amount of juggling. Morin is the only slide guy that might need 9 games. Hagg is a slide, but 9 games with the Phantoms will erase that.
- Jsaquella

That is not true, to the best of my understanding. The slide rule has nothing to do with the AHL, and everything to do with the NHL. The slide rule states that, if a player does not turn 20 by a certain date (which is true of Hagg), and the players plays fewer than 10 NHL games, his contract will slide.

Yep. No reason the #1 prospect wouldn't fall to 12th. I mean, can you imagine Patrick Stefan, Alexander "Can't Miss" Daigle, or Owen Nolan every falling that far? The hockey would be be stunned!
- jmatchett383

Couts did drop from 1 to 8 in his draft year.

Carter's gone from very good player to elite goal scorer (minus his 08/09 season with the Flyers). He was always a very good goal scorer, now he's just getting more recognition. A Stanley Cup-winning goal will do that for you.
- jmatchett383

He's average 0.43 goals per game in LA (which is 35 per 82 games) and averaged 0.38 here (31 per 82 games). His points per game has dropped from 0.74 to 0.68 (about 5 points per 82 games) but LA's system will do that. I don't necessarily think anyone is viewing him as a better goal scorer, but as more of a well rounded player than he was in Philly.

My point is that Morin beating out guys in preseason is more of an indictment on the current vets than praise for Morin. If this team were the blackhawks and Morin was pushing for top 4 minutes, I would be tremendously impressed.

Going back to Juniors will allow him to work on parts of his game as well. He'll run the PP in Rimouski and he won't get much PP time in Philly.

Luke Schenn came to the NHL and played limited minutes and kept his game very simple. Unfortunately, keeping things simple never allowed him to develop his game in any other area. In juniors, he would have had the opportunity to do more.
- PhillySportsGuy

I get what you are saying, and I acknowledge that he isn't a finished product, and that there is risk.

But there is risk in everything you do in pro sports. He is probably gonna get a game or two. I think, if he does, we just have to see how he does. "Live" competition will help answer many questions about a couple of guys, not just Morin, on the defense

Thats easy to say cause of the LA Kings success. He rides the coattails of Doughty, Kopitar, Quick, Brown and Williams.
- GOA88

I don't think it's fair to say he rides the coattails of those guys. He had a good year playing with the kids last year. But I think it is fair to say that he responded better when he didn't have to be "the guy". He had a lot more pressure on him here, and didn't seem to embrace that as much as a guy like Giroux does.

He did embrace a few coeds though

Thats easy to say cause of the LA Kings success. He rides the coattails of Doughty, Kopitar, Quick, Brown and Williams.
- GOA88

He doesn't ride anyone's coattails. He's a top player on a top team. He was dominant in the playoff last year.

To be fair, nobody thought of those three as "generational" talents.

The batting avg for those kinds of guys has pretty much been 1000: Mario, Lafleur, OV, Crosby, Lindros, et al.
- Tomahawk

Daigle was considered to be a "generational" talent. And for the record, I hate that term, because Mario/Gretzky, Esposito/Orr/LaFleur, Howe/Richard, etc. all shared their "generation" with another "generational" player.

You're right in your premise with the lineup you posted. Just short by about 750K
- MJL

You could get almost $300K closer to maximizing it by paper demoting Akeson and recalling Laughton. But it's not worth it because Akeson could get claimed.

Couts did drop from 1 to 8 in his draft year.
- aflyerpower8

Yep. A season full of mono in a wide-open draft can do that to you.

I think Voracek's overall skill set is superior to Carter's.
- jmatchett383

Not sure about that. The only area where I'd give Voracek an edge is in playmaking. I give Carter the edge everywhere else.

Obviously, none among Coburn, MacDonald or Streit should have been in any danger job-wise regardless of how they played in the preseason. With Grossmann, the main question was how he'd recovered from the ankle tendon repair surgery and he was otherwise set to rejoin the lineup. Luke Schenn's job wasn't in jeopardy but his ice time and pairing role could fluctuate.

That leaves Del Zotto and Schultz. Both have semi-secure roster spots based partially on their salaries not being able to be fully buried in the NHL. However, Del Zotto needed to solidify a top six spot and Schultz needed at minimum to show he could be a reliable seven when there are injuries, slumps, etc. Neither have accomplished that goal.

Gostisbehere and Morin absolutely outplayed those two guys (as well as several whose jobs were not at stake).
- bmeltzer

I guess my problem was how Hexy all but announced that these guys were going to be sent down. If you are a veteran and you know there is almost zero chance of losing your job, why bust your butt. It's almost like tenure.

Daigle was considered to be a "generational" talent.
- jmatchett383

Naw, he was more along the Vinny line of hype.

He doesn't ride anyone's coattails. He's a top player on a top team. He was dominant in the playoff last year.
- MJL

My point is... LA has 2 cups with or without Carter. You overvalue him. He is a good player... But he is not the #1 star player that will win you a cup. He is a compliment to the team LA already had. Same with 4th liner Richards.

And JVR would have made this team much more better than L Schenn does.
One trade I wish Homer never made. I hated it at the time and I still do. Leafs fans thank me all the time. I think JVR is looked at as a 35 goal man and this is what he will do
- 3flyerkids

Depends on what Luke Schenn we see. This team's issue isn't offense or the PP. It's defense.

To be fair, nobody thought of those three as "generational" talents.

The batting avg for those kinds of guys has pretty much been 1000: Mario, Lafleur, OV, Crosby, Lindros, et al.
- Tomahawk

I'm pretty careful about labeling guys "generational talents". To me, that means that they are/were head and shoulders better than their other all star contemporaries.

IMO, the only guys in my lifetime that fit that description are:
Bobby Orr
Wayne Gretzky
Mario Lemieux

A guy like Lafleur was a great player, but he wasn't that much better than Phil Esposito, Gil Perrault or Bobby Clarke. Same with Lindros, who, to me, is comparable to Forsberg, Sakic and Yzerman. Even today, while I feel Crosby is the best player in the game, he's not that much better than Toews, Doughty or even Giroux.

However, Orr, Gretzky, and Lemieux played at a whole other level beyond anyone else in the league and clearly stood out in any and all situations.

You could get almost $300K closer to maximizing it by paper demoting Akeson and recalling Laughton. But it's not worth it because Akeson could get claimed.
- Feanor

That was my whole point earlier on the thread. Why bother with all of the roster juggling just to keep Morin for a cup of coffee in the league this year? Let him play tonight, give him a good plan for the year then send him on his way.