I cant agree with that. Just cause Hextall decided to send Morin down that does not mean he deserved it. Morin was impressive. If contracts were'nt an issue he would be playing this season.
- GOA88

At this point I'd have to say that if they're letting contracts get in the way of the team they're icing we have larger issues.

Looking at Sbisa's draft these are the players who spent more than one additional yr in juniors:
Pietrangelo (drafted fourth and got 8 & 9 games out of camp his 1st two seasons)
Tubert (13)
Jake Gardiner (17)
Tyler Cuma (23)
Goloubef (37)
Roman Josi (38)
Ness (40)
Yan Sauve (41)
Justin Schultz (43)

Players who made it after one yr:
Doughty
Bogosian
Schenn
Myers
Karlsson
Sbisa (19)
Del Zotto
Carlson
Voynov (32)

So if you have talent and are going to make an impact it sure looks like you're making the show as a defender in your 2nd yr. We can always hope he's Pietrangelo I guess.

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Blair Jones will be the 13th forward, Jay Rosehill sent down to the #Phantoms.



Hope and Change!
- MBFlyerfan

(frank) yeah, female doges!!!

Stortini was.
- jmatchett383

Markstrom cleared. Mueller and Prosser were waived by the Blues a few days ago.

Okay, so this whole "top pairing shutdown" thing is odd to me. These term "top pair" and "shutdown" are different players. A "top pairing guy" is a perennial all-star candidate who puts up very nice point totals and offsets and defensive deficiencies he may have by a wide margin due to his defensive and offensive contributions to the team.

A "shutdown" defender is a player whose main responsibility is to prevent goals from being scored and is not counted on to provide much offense. He is basically a stay-at-home defender. If a "shutdown" defender does this but also contributes a good deal of offense, he is not simply a shutdown defender, he is a "top pair" defender.

It's like saying Jake Voracek is a top-line grinder.
- jmatchett383

I think Morin can provide stellar defense and chip in 8-10 goals 30+ assists. BOOK IT

So because the Flyers would rather have him play in juniors a second year instead of banking on a rookie playing 82 games, he's destined to be a bust?
- jmatchett383

Nope, just more likely. Where's that stats guy?

(frank) yeah, female doges!!!
- hammarby31

Never thought I would celebrate the day a player with 17 points in 128 career NHL games made the team. But getting away from the goon mentality is a start.

At this point I'd have to say that if they're letting contracts get in the way of the team they're icing we have larger issues.

Looking at Sbisa's draft these are the players who spent more than one additional yr in juniors:
Pietrangelo (drafted fourth and got 8 & 9 games out of camp his 1st two seasons)
Tubert (13)
Jake Gardiner (17)
Tyler Cuma (23)
Goloubef (37)
Roman Josi (38)
Ness (40)
Yan Sauve (41)
Justin Schultz (43)

Players who made it after one yr:
Doughty
Bogosian
Schenn
Myers
Karlsson
Sbisa (19)
Del Zotto
Carlson
Voynov (32)

So if you have talent and are going to make an impact it sure looks like you're making the show as a defender in your 2nd yr. We can always hope he's Pietrangelo I guess.
- mayorofangrytown

That's just one draft though. It would be interesting to see if that trend would hold with a larger sample size.

What kind of music?
Country, Rock, Metal, Blues, Jazz, pop would all have different answers, but FWIW

Rock and Roll-Led Zeppelin
Pop- The Beatles
Progressive Rock- Rush
Metal- Black Sabbath
Jazz- Mahavishnu Orchestra
Blues- Tough one, but I'd go with Buddy Guy, love his stuff
Country-Johnny Cash

There ya go, that should start some arguments!!
- BiggE

ftfy.

At this point I'd have to say that if they're letting contracts get in the way of the team they're icing we have larger issues.

Looking at Sbisa's draft these are the players who spent more than one additional yr in juniors:
Pietrangelo (drafted fourth and got 8 & 9 games out of camp his 1st two seasons)
Tubert (13)
Jake Gardiner (17)
Tyler Cuma (23)
Goloubef (37)
Roman Josi (38)
Ness (40)
Yan Sauve (41)
Justin Schultz (43)

Players who made it after one yr:
Doughty
Bogosian
Schenn
Myers
Karlsson
Sbisa (19)
Del Zotto
Carlson
Voynov (32)

So if you have talent and are going to make an impact it sure looks like you're making the show as a defender in your 2nd yr. We can always hope he's Pietrangelo I guess.
- mayorofangrytown

I dont think it was an easy decision to send Morin back. Berube wanted him in the lineup. Hextall was tempted to go against his beliefs. In the end.... they couldnt find anyone that wanted to take on Grossmann or Schenn. Thats what I think

Markstrom cleared. Mueller and Prosser were waived by the Blues a few days ago.
- NickTheKid87

Prosser was claimed by the Wild last night.

Hextall trying to erase the Holmgren gaffes one by one. He's going to need an industrial size eraser. Cmon Hexy, find a destination for MacDonald. Edmonton? Calgary??.... A South Jersey landfill if need be.
- PLindbergh31

I don't mind AMac in a proper role @ a more suitable price, but all the more reason to develop the young D properly so as not to deal from desperation.

Nirvana, IMO, was one of the most overrated bands of all time. Heck, I'll take the Foo Fighters over em any day. let alone Alice in Chains or Soundgarden.
- BiggE

i hate nirvana. ok, hate's a strong word. i don't like them. just like crosby doesn't like the flyers.

- BulliesPhan87

love this album so much. and maiden in general.

Top pairing because he could chip in some offense and compliment a more offensive-minded player (Ghost or Sanheim hopefully)
- NickTheKid87

So you are calling 09/10 Carle a top-pairing defenseman?

Did anyone claim markstrom
- mydoglicks

i claim him.

I don't mind AMac in a proper role @ a more suitable price, but all the more reason to develop the young D properly so as not to deal from desperation.
- isaiah520

Yep. MacDonald as a complimentary player on a second pairing is probably his ceiling. I would love to dump his contract, and let either Ghost or Morin play at a fraction of the cost. It's not like the Flyers are a legit contender with MacDonald anyway.

love this album so much. and maiden in general.
- hammarby31

I recently got in a debate over whether Iron Maiden or Killers was a better album. The conclusion was there's no wrong horse to back in this race.

So you are calling 09/10 Carle a top-pairing defenseman?
- jmatchett383

It doesn't have to be so literal. Don't call it top pairing then. I don't care. My point is he could be a big time shutdown defenseman who could chip in some offense if he reaches the limits of his potential.

Can someone define what "raw" means in terms of talent assessment? It's thrown around all the time and seems like a meaningless adjective to me

That's just one draft though. It would be interesting to see if that trend would hold with a larger sample size.
- NickTheKid87

Yeah, agreed. I was looking at it for a totally different reason. I really believe that the whole "ruined him in the NHL" thing is a joke. If you have the talent to play in the NHL it typically comes fairly quickly to the forefront.

You kinda have to discount guys from overseas and college kids in the mix.

I would really like to have time to go through more but it was worth discussing I thought. I have no preconceived notion as to what Morin will become. Ghostisbehere I expect big things from and he's past the second yr thing. Being in College changes the time line I've seen in my small sample certainly. Those guys tend to stay two to three seasons at least.

I think Morin can provide stellar defense and chip in 8-10 goals 30+ assists. BOOK IT
- GOA88

So you'd call Slava Voynov, TJ Brodie, Torrey Krug, and Andrej Benoit top-pair defenders?

I recently got in a debate over whether Iron Maiden or Killers was a better album. The conclusion was there's no wrong horse to back in this race.
- BulliesPhan87

i would agree, there's no wrong horse. i'm generally partial to first albums, simply because their first - the original sound.

Can someone define what "raw" means in terms of talent assessment? It's thrown around all the time and seems like a meaningless adjective to me
- eayost

i brought this up a few months ago, around draft time. i hate this (frank)ing word. it's meaningless bullpoop, in my opinion of course.

Can someone define what "raw" means in terms of talent assessment? It's thrown around all the time and seems like a meaningless adjective to me
- eayost

If find it typically means the player lacks teachable skills like positioning and decision making.

Can someone define what "raw" means in terms of talent assessment? It's thrown around all the time and seems like a meaningless adjective to me
- eayost

Physical potential. It mean that a players have the physical abilities to do certain things, but he has not yet put those abilities to use in such a way as to excel at those things.

It's like a lump of clay. It has the potential to become art, but until somebody uses it correctly, it is just a lump of clay.