A win is a win. EJ won the first 2 scoring 20+ in each game and people were still concerned (rightfully so)

Watkins had to make 2-3 circus catches on the last two scoring drives today.

I like what Orton did, but I didn't see this huge upgrade, he threw a pick 6, took some sacks and was inaccurate. Id rather develope EJ if the difference is this minimal
- sbroads24

The Bills do not win this game with Manuel under center. There's no doubt in my mind.

That being said, you're right. Orton was far from spectacular. However, If I'm a coach, and I'm trying to save my job, Orton is a better choice.

When will Nolan announce the C and A's?
- rmiethaner

don't know...he said he wanted to do it early then sat on his choices...

*shrugs*

The Bills do not win this game with Manuel under center. There's no doubt in my mind.

That being said, you're right. Orton was far from spectacular. However, If I'm a coach, and I'm trying to save my job, Orton is a better choice.
- buffalofan19

you're right...ej would've folded...although the they have some holes, they're built very well

you're right...ej would've folded...although the they have some holes, they're built very well
- Michael Pachla

My father keeps point this out to me, but the fact that they have been spectacular against the run is only going to help them later in the season. They just need decent quarterback play to get the playoffs. I still have my doubts that Orton can do it all season long, and I have very little faith Manuel can (who btw, if you believe this, lost his receivers' confidence in a big way http://www.cbssports.com/...he-put-wideouts-in-danger ), but if they can get it, they might have a chance.

Next week's game versus New England, who seems to at least stopped the bleeding, has just become massive.

Btw, that game is on Fox, not CBS:

http://espn.go.com/blog/b...s-bills-game-moves-to-fox

Due to the NFL's new cross-flex scheduling clause, this game will be the first regular season game ever played on Fox between two AFC teams.

you're right...ej would've folded...although the they have some holes, they're built very well
- Michael Pachla

I had a response, but for some reason it's coming up blank. Essentially, the fact that they are playing the run very well is only going to help them during the year.

Btw, next week's game is on Fox, not CBS.

http://espn.go.com/blog/b...s-bills-game-moves-to-fox

The same "cross-flex" package that allowed this game, which traditionally would have been on CBS, makes this game the first regular season game played between two AFC teams ever.

My father keeps point this out to me, but the fact that they have been spectacular against the run is only going to help them later in the season. They just need decent quarterback play to get the playoffs. I still have my doubts that Orton can do it all season long, and I have very little faith Manuel can (who btw, if you believe this, lost his receivers' confidence in a big way http://www.cbssports.com/...he-put-wideouts-in-danger, but if they can get it, they might have a chance.

Next week's game versus New England, who seems to at least stopped the bleeding, has just become massive.

Btw, that game is on Fox, not CBS:

http://espn.go.com/blog/b...s-bills-game-moves-to-fox

Due to the NFL's new cross-flex scheduling clause, this game will be the first regular season game ever played on Fox between two AFC teams.
- buffalofan19

I like what whaley has done with the team so far, especially on defense....offense needs work, but what's cool is that, they have many of their skill positions covered

I had a response, but for some reason it's coming up blank. Essentially, the fact that they are playing the run very well is only going to help them during the year.
- buffalofan19

I would attempt to move Spiller for a pick. Carolina could use a back.

They refuse to use him to his full potential. Might as well move him and bring up Brown

I had a response, but for some reason it's coming up blank. Essentially, the fact that they are playing the run very well is only going to help them during the year.
- buffalofan19

that's funny...I saw what you wrote and tried to respond, but mine came up blank too...

perhaps it didn't like what we wrote or how we wrote it

that's funny...I saw what you wrote and tried to respond, but mine came up blank too...

perhaps it didn't like what we wrote or how we wrote it
- Michael Pachla

Sometimes when you post a link to something else it does that. I don't know why though.

I would attempt to move Spiller for a pick. Carolina could use a back.

They refuse to use him to his full potential. Might as well move him and bring up Brown
- sbroads24

absolutely...he cannot get the job done most of the time...was pulling my hair out as they continue to try and run him between the tackles, plus, he still thinks he's in college and can easily bounce it outside

Sometimes when you post a link to something else it does that. I don't know why though.
- HonkFortheGoose

It was from ESPN. Probably banned, because, of course, "ESPN doesn't know poop about hockey."

absolutely...he cannot get the job done most of the time...was pulling my hair out as they continue to try and run him between the tackles, plus, he still thinks he's in college and can easily bounce it outside
- Michael Pachla

Let's not forget the play that he pretty much let a guy walk right by him and sack Orton that was so close it was almost a safety. He barely looked like he tried to stop the guy. He's terrible in pass protection.

I would attempt to move Spiller for a pick. Carolina could use a back.

They refuse to use him to his full potential. Might as well move him and bring up Brown
- sbroads24

I'd be down with that.

Hackett is gone after this year, for sure. I'm not sure they're going to play another defense that can shut down the outside the way Detroit did today, though.

absolutely...he cannot get the job done most of the time...was pulling my hair out as they continue to try and run him between the tackles, plus, he still thinks he's in college and can easily bounce it outside
- Michael Pachla

I still don't know why he can't split out wide at all. Even as a decoy.

Match him up against a linebacker

Let's not forget the play that he pretty much let a guy walk right by him and sack Orton that was so close it was almost a safety. He barely looked like he tried to stop the guy. He's terrible in pass protection.
- HonkFortheGoose

yeah, that too *shakes head*

I still don't know why he can't split out wide at all. Even as a decoy.

Match him up against a linebacker
- sbroads24

he needs open space, unfortunately unless the proper play is called and the defense is leaning the wrong way, like that 20-yarder today, he's going no where fast

he needs open space, unfortunately unless the proper play is called and the defense is leaning the wrong way, like that 20-yarder today, he's going no where fast
- Michael Pachla

Unless he has a serious bounce back the next 11 games, I'm fairly certain he's gone at years end. Seems like they are just saving Brown

never really doubted it from the beginning....he was considered to be the top offensive skill player in the draft...imo, trading two mid-upper first rounders (at best) for one of the top players in the draft is a calculated risk well worth taking
- Michael Pachla

Ya I didn't mean people on here doubting him... Just people in general like wgr callers etc.

Unless he has a serious bounce back the next 11 games, I'm fairly certain he's gone at years end. Seems like they are just saving Brown
- sbroads24

if they could get something at before the deadline, why wait?..fact is, Freddy's the man...

he needs open space, unfortunately unless the proper play is called and the defense is leaning the wrong way, like that 20-yarder today, he's going no where fast
- Michael Pachla

Ya I don't really think he fits there scheme at all they wanna ground and pound up the middle and he's just not the guy for that. I wish we could trade him for something useful other than a fourth round pick.

Ya I didn't mean people on here doubting him... Just people in general like wgr callers etc.
- Carubba-Kaleta

people all over doubting that move...let's put it this way, if the bills didn't make the Watkins move they'd probably have picked ebron...and ebron was waaaay overhyped....probably an offensive aaron maybin

Ya I don't really think he fits there scheme at all they wanna ground and pound up the middle and he's just not the guy for that. I wish we could trade him for something useful other than a fourth round pick.
- Carubba-Kaleta

we sat way up in the end zone today and could see the plays very well...cj did not, and never has, hit the hole with authority...he wusses out

if they could get something at before the deadline, why wait?..fact is, Freddy's the man...
- Michael Pachla

I would imagine a team like the Panthers would give us a 3rd.

I'd do it in a heart beat. Spiller just isn't an every down guy. He would give the Panthers another weapon they desperately need outside of Olsen and Benjamin

I would imagine a team like the Panthers would give us a 3rd.

I'd do it in a heart beat. Spiller just isn't an every down guy. He would give the Panthers another weapon they desperately need outside of Olsen and Benjamin
- sbroads24

works for me