Yeah 8 of the guys from last nights line up were either sent down or waived today.

Could be that maybe they knew it was their last chance to show and played their guts out. But it was underwhelming as you said by the Nucks.
- Iggysbff

Well Jensen and Sbisa probably made the Oilers starting squad with their play and point production.

Of course not because in your mind new coach + new system = bottom 5 team
- A_SteamingLombardi

Actually my formula for a bottom 5 team would be putting a guy who scored 5 goals on your second line and bumping up a third liner like Higgins to play second line , as the new coach did, an equation for bottom 5.

After the first period you could see the guys just going through the motions, we badly outplayed them in the first…specially the twins. Who look to be back to themselves with the passes in tight spaces and the dipsy-doddle dangles.

Team still looks to have one first line and three third lines though

After the first period you could see the guys just going through the motions, we badly outplayed them in the first…specially the twins. Who look to be back to themselves with the passes in tight spaces and the dipsy-doddle dangles.

Team still looks to have one first line and three third lines though
- LeftCoaster

The silver lining is that if one of those third lines becomes a second line then having two becomes a bonus

After the first period you could see the guys just going through the motions, we badly outplayed them in the first…specially the twins. Who look to be back to themselves with the passes in tight spaces and the dipsy-doddle dangles.

Team still looks to have one first line and three third lines though
- LeftCoaster

That is a big assumption considering we haven't played a full NHL roster or a playoff team yet. 4 of the games are against Calgary and Edmonton and PHX . The other was a split squad game

1/3 of that team was put on waivers today.

Actually my formula for a bottom 5 team would be putting a guy who scored 5 goals on your second line and bumping up a third liner like Higgins to play second line , as the new coach did, an equation for bottom 5.
- VANTEL

I didn't realize the season had started. I'll agree with you about Burrows on Wed. night when he breaks his foot or jaw, because that is obviously going to happen.

The silver lining is that if one of those third lines becomes a second line then having two becomes a bonus
- bezz44

If…and that's somewhat of a big it…Bonino can become a 20 goal 50 point second line center, I'd be pretty happy!! Remains to be seen if he can do that though, really smart player, he does a lot of good things out there, nothing flashy, just good.

Kassian needs to take that next step and get up to the 20 goal mark if he's to be considered a second line player, although he hasn't shown it, he's been a good offensive player through-out his junior days so I'm hopeful there.

Where there's a glaring hole is the second line LW position.

If…and that's somewhat of a big it…Bonino can become a 20 goal 50 point second line center, I'd be pretty happy!! Remains to be seen if he can do that though, really smart player, he does a lot of good things out there, nothing flashy, just good.

Kassian needs to take that next step and get up to the 20 goal mark if he's to be considered a second line player, although he hasn't shown it, he's been a good offensive player through-out his junior days so I'm hopeful there.

Where there's a glaring hole is the second line LW position.
- LeftCoaster

Oh absolutely, hell we don't even know if we have a first line

I didn't realize the season had started. I'll agree with you about Burrows on Wed. night when he breaks his foot or jaw, because that is obviously going to happen.
- A_SteamingLombardi

It is like pulling teeth around here to get fans to admit that this roster is thin.

Burrows got 0 goals against bottom end teams and depleted lineups , Daniel got one and now we formulate this into 20 and 30 goal seasons against real NHL teams.

That is a big assumption considering we haven't played a full NHL roster or a playoff team yet. 4 of the games are against Calgary and Edmonton and PHX . The other was a split squad game

1/3 of that team was put on waivers today.
- VANTEL

I don't see any assumptions in my post?

Sedins look good, I have no doubt they'll be 60 to 80 point players again, nothing indicates they won't be other than last year. Henrik can dish that puck like few others, he'll be fine, Daniel needs to return to a 20+ goal scorer and a 60+ point winger, he looks good to me.

If things stay as they are, the Canucks are gonna need a collective effort that's for sure!

It is like pulling teeth around here to get fans to admit that this roster is thin.

Burrows got 0 goals against bottom end teams and depleted lineups , Daniel got one and now we formulate this into 20 and 30 goal seasons against real NHL teams.
- VANTEL

It's not thin, it just lacks high-end talent on the second line. Unless that's thin to you? Look around the league, there's a lot of teams in the same boat or their defence isn't as good as ours…with the exception of Sbisa

I don't see any assumptions in my post?

Sedins look good, I have no doubt they'll be 60 to 80 point players again, nothing indicates they won't be other than last year. Henrik can dish that puck like few others, he'll be fine, Daniel needs to return to a 20+ goal scorer and a 60+ point winger, he looks good to me.

If things stay as they are, the Canucks are gonna need a collective effort that's for sure!
- LeftCoaster

They did look very good last night, but look who they played against. The won't see that roster again until next preseason.

It is like pulling teeth around here to get fans to admit that this roster is thin.

Burrows got 0 goals against bottom end teams and depleted lineups , Daniel got one and now we formulate this into 20 and 30 goal seasons against real NHL teams.
- VANTEL

Daniel is getting a lot of looks, he'll be fine, Burrows on the other hand is done…ya you heard me…he's done.

It's not thin, it just lacks high-end talent on the second line. Unless that's thin to you? Look around the league, there's a lot of teams in the same boat or their defence isn't as good as ours…with the exception of Sbisa
- LeftCoaster

No complaints against our D or goaltending. Scoring will be the issue again.

They did look very good last night, but look who they played against. The won't see that roster again until next preseason.
- VANTEL

Vantel they've been doing that against the very best in the league for a lot of years, they didn't just get shiddy all of a sudden.

It is like pulling teeth around here to get fans to admit that this roster is thin.

Burrows got 0 goals against bottom end teams and depleted lineups , Daniel got one and now we formulate this into 20 and 30 goal seasons against real NHL teams.
- VANTEL

I wouldn't call it thin, just very bottom-heavy

I wouldn't call it thin, just very bottom-heavy
- bezz44

When you don't have a second line I look at it as thin. Even our third line has a lot of questions.

Vantel they've been doing that against the very best in the league for a lot of years, they didn't just get shiddy all of a sudden.
- LeftCoaster

TSN had them ranked to 10 two years ago and around 25 last year. This year out of the top 50. It has been a gradual decline not really a drop off the planet plunge

When you don't have a second line I look at it as thin. Even our third line has a lot of questions.
- VANTEL

The online questions our third line has is who should we put there? Higgins, Hansen, Matthias, Burrows, Kassian, Vey, Richardson can all play on the third line. Our bottom six will very likely be better than it's been in recent years. First line is three top six forwards, two of which are coming off bad years and so may or may not live up to expectations. Second line is full of questions, but after that it is solid. Out of the players I mentioned above as potential 3rd liners, (and I purposely excluded Jensen and Horvat because that's pushing it a bit) at least three of them will play well enough to make up an average to excellent 3rd line. And if any of them underperform then they will find themselves on the 4th line.

It is like pulling teeth around here to get fans to admit that this roster is thin.

Burrows got 0 goals against bottom end teams and depleted lineups , Daniel got one and now we formulate this into 20 and 30 goal seasons against real NHL teams.
- VANTEL

Who said that?

The online questions our third line has is who should we put there? Higgins, Hansen, Matthias, Burrows, Kassian, Vey, Richardson can all play on the third line. Our bottom six will very likely be better than it's been in recent years. First line is three top six forwards, two of which are coming off bad years and so may or may not live up to expectations. Second line is full of questions, but after that it is solid. Out of the players I mentioned above as potential 3rd liners, (and I purposely excluded Jensen and Horvat because that's pushing it a bit) at least three of them will play well enough to make up an average to excellent 3rd line. And if any of them underperform then they will find themselves on the 4th line.
- bezz44

We will get the answers starting Wednesday. I look forward to seeing us against Dallas Colorado Minny to see where we really stand

Who said that?
- A_SteamingLombardi

It has been said in previous blogs. What is your goal expectations for Burrows and Daniel?

My prediction is Daniel 16
Burrows 12

That is not first line and second line numbers

It has been said in previous blogs. What is your goal expectations for Burrows and Daniel?
- VANTEL

Higher than 5 & 16

TSN had them ranked to 10 two years ago and around 25 last year. This year out of the top 50. It has been a gradual decline not really a drop off the planet plunge
- VANTEL

Bit of perspective:
Malkin:
08/09 - 82GP 113P
09/10 - 67GP 77P
10/11 - 43GP 37P

Ovechkin
09/10 - 72GP 109P
10/11 - 79GP 85P
11/12 - 78GP 65P

H Sedin
11/12 82GP 81P
12/13 48GP 45P
13/14 70GP 50P

D Sedin
11/12 72GP 67P
12/13 47GP 40P
13/14 73GP 47P

Higher than 5 & 16
- A_SteamingLombardi

Throw at me your numbers