Rinaldo may have a play date partner.

Devils apparently will be signing Tootoo.

If Streit manages to keep up his level of play for the rest of that contract and avoid injury it will be a pleasant surprise. I wont hold my breath on that though.

We can disagree that's fine, I think those 4 contracts are anchors and look forward to being rid of them when the time comes.
- flyer_nutter

I know, why look at anything involving the Flyers with optimism!

LeCavalier, Macdonald, Streit, and 1 of Umberger/Hartnell.

The Flyers should look at themselves first and foremost imo.

Just have to be selective that's all. Wait for the right move instead of the best thing at the time. Hopefully Hextall is free to do just that and not have pressure/input coming from above.
- flyer_nutter

I took your statement to mean league-wide.

Sure, the Flyers could use a little restraint in the contract department. I'd like to see them try.

I took your statement to mean league-wide.

Sure, the Flyers could use a little restraint in the contract department. I'd like to see them try.
- tangent_man

The issue isn't not signing player to long contracts. Because there is no award for unused cap space. The idea is not to stop signing players to long term contracts, but to sign the right players to long term contracts.

I know, why look at anything involving the Flyers with optimism!
- MJL

Haha I think Streit will be a good soldier but I don't expect it to hold course for the whole rest of that contract. He's grown on me after a poor start with the club, I will give him that.

I am also a big fan of Grossmann, but that's all the positive vibes I'll give you for one day.

Per the beats, Lecavalier will be on the 1st PP unit in Hartsy's old spot

If Streit manages to keep up his level of play for the rest of that contract and avoid injury it will be a pleasant surprise. I wont hold my breath on that though.

We can disagree that's fine, I think those 4 contracts are anchors and look forward to being rid of them when the time comes.
- flyer_nutter

The Streit signing has been huge for the Flyers. The final year or two may be a disaster, but offensive defensemen seem to last longer in this league. And he can always be bought out, if necessary.

LeCavalier, Macdonald, Streit, and 1 of Umberger/Hartnell.

The Flyers should look at themselves first and foremost imo.

Just have to be selective that's all. Wait for the right move instead of the best thing at the time. Hopefully Hextall is free to do just that and not have pressure/input coming from above.
- flyer_nutter

I think Streit got a reasonable deal. MacDonald they likely jumped the shark on. I never understood the Lecavalier deal. The day they signed him, I was scratching my head, given that they had Giroux, Couturier and Schenn up the middle with Laughton in the pipeline. Vinny had missed 44 games the previous 3 seasons (played 168 of 212 games) and had played 14 NHL seasons. He was 33 but 14 years of NHL competition with a known injury history makes that an old 33. The cap hit was manageable for his skill level but the term cancelled that out, IMO. The fact that he struggled last year was just salt in the wound.

I took your statement to mean league-wide.

Sure, the Flyers could use a little restraint in the contract department. I'd like to see them try.
- tangent_man

League wide would be a start but you will always have desperate GMs I think.

Just about being selective and doing your homework on which players to break the bank for. Hell if you want to throw the remains of Hextall's thinning hair and Holmgren's bicycle at Stamkos or Kopitar in 2 years if they hit UFA go all in. Just stay the hell away from guys Buff or Kesler who hit UFA in the same year.

The Streit signing has been huge for the Flyers. The final year or two may be a disaster, but offensive defensemen seem to last longer in this league. And he can always be bought out, if necessary.
- bradleyc4

He's been much better than I thought he would be. Really loved him in his time with the Habs but wasn't sure how much he would have had left in the tank.

I think Streit got a reasonable deal. MacDonald they likely jumped the shark on. I never understood the Lecavalier deal. The day they signed him, I was scratching my head, given that they had Giroux, Couturier and Schenn up the middle with Laughton in the pipeline. Vinny had missed 44 games the previous 3 seasons (played 168 of 212 games) and had played 14 NHL seasons. He was 33 but 14 years of NHL competition with a known injury history makes that an old 33. The cap hit was manageable for his skill level but the term cancelled that out, IMO. The fact that he struggled last year was just salt in the wound.
- NickTheKid87

Have to look at the injuries. I think most of the games were missed due to broken hands. That's not something that you worry about being chronic.
If he bounces back, nothing wrong with the deal.

Per the beats, Lecavalier will be on the 1st PP unit in Hartsy's old spot
- Jsaquella

He deserves to get a chance, he has a great one-timer. It could very well be a great confidence boost if he gets off and running to a good start.

Have to look at the injuries. I think most of the games were missed due to broken hands. That's not something that you worry about being chronic.
If he bounces back, nothing wrong with the deal.
- MJL

Unless he goes the Hartnell divorce route and gets lonely in his hotel room on long road trips.

He deserves to get a chance, he has a great one-timer. It could very well be a great confidence boost if he gets off and running to a good start.
- 3flyerkids

Beautiful way to get something out of nothing. Hopefully he puts in enough that some foolish team wants to take him on around deadline time.

He deserves to get a chance, he has a great one-timer. It could very well be a great confidence boost if he gets off and running to a good start.
- 3flyerkids

My worry with Vinny isn't scoring goals, it's 5 on 5 play

My worry with Vinny isn't scoring goals, it's 5 on 5 play
- Jsaquella

It goes back to the Briere era. Goals against are as big of a factor as goals for.

My worry with Vinny isn't scoring goals, it's 5 on 5 play
- Jsaquella

I hope that the 4th line demotion last year helps him buy-in to the 5v5 system.

It goes back to the Briere era. Goals against are as big of a factor as goals for.
- bradleyc4

Then why are you convinced that the Hartnell for Umberger trade was a bad deal.

It goes back to the Briere era. Goals against are as big of a factor as goals for.
- bradleyc4

Well, that's on the Flyers goalies, who have sucked since the days of Fred Cyclone Taylor.

I hope that the 4th line demotion last year helps him buy-in to the 5v5 system.
- jmatchett383

More worried the 5 on 5 troubles are more due to the spirit being willing but the flesh being weak

Have to look at the injuries. I think most of the games were missed due to broken hands. That's not something that you worry about being chronic.
If he bounces back, nothing wrong with the deal.
- MJL

He's missed a lot of time the past four years though. It's possible the injuries are taking their toll. If not, he's still been in the league for 14 years (15 now) and that's a lot of wear and tear. He had already played over 1,000 NHL games before coming here. There was bound to be a dip in play in the near future.

Nevertheless, I think Vinny will bounce back somewhat. He could get to around 0.65 and possibly to 0.70 points per game this year. But what about down the road? He could become an albatross given the factors I've mentioned.

Then why are you convinced that the Hartnell for Umberger trade was a bad deal.
- MJL

I believe that Umberger is at best a slight upgrade on Hartnell 5v5, he's not some crazy speedster Selke candidate that some people make him out to be. If he doesn't come close to matching Hartnell's production (or to have a net positive in production based on other players getting chances), then the trade-off may not be worth it, at least in the short-term. Looking at it strictly from an offensive point of view, it's a bad trade. Whether or not the other differences in their games offsets that is yet to be seen.

More worried the 5 on 5 troubles are more due to the spirit being willing but the flesh being weak
- Jsaquella

You think he masturbates too much?

He's missed a lot of time the past four years though. It's possible the injuries are taking their toll. If not, he's still been in the league for 14 years (15 now) and that's a lot of wear and tear. He had already played over 1,000 NHL games before coming here. There was bound to be a dip in play in the near future.

Nevertheless, I think Vinny will bounce back somewhat. He could get to around 0.65 and possibly to 0.70 points per game this year. But what about down the road? He could become an albatross given the factors I've mentioned.
- NickTheKid87

There's always the Coyotes/Panthers of the league who need to get to the cap floor.

You think he masturbates too much?
- jmatchett383

No such thing.