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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 7 @ 4:17 PM ET
Lol, yeah..Its not realistic about Doughty, but if the D were to be upgraded so as to have a real #1 stud even at the expense of some forward depth, I say they'd be fine..Unfortunately, the holes we have are the hardest ones to fill in today's nhl.
- Hextall271


Getting a legit 1C is tough. Just ask NJ and Toronto.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 4:20 PM ET
any update on Simmers status for tomorrow?
- Buzzo


He got a new A sewn on his jersey and is ready to fight Chara tomorrow..lol
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 7 @ 4:23 PM ET
Hopefully Schenn and Couturier can help out there, or even Umberger. He's got a big body at least
- Jsaquella


Quite a few of the goals Umberger scored last year were right on the door step. I think he could contribute on the 2nd PP unit in a Simmonds-like role
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 7 @ 4:24 PM ET
Anyone know what the official word on Gagne is? I haven't seen that he actually signed yet.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 4:25 PM ET
Anyone know what the official word on Gagne is? I haven't seen that he actually signed yet.
- MBFlyerfan


Nothing as of yet.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...g-a-deal-from-the-bruins/

“My impressions are that he’s getting better. I think he’s skating better and he’s starting to get his hands back. He’s been away from the game – he’s skated for most of the year, but he’s been away from the game for the whole year,” said Chiarelli. “I spoke with him (Saturday) morning, and I made a proposal to him in the sense of, ‘Look Simon, I see you getting better, I want you to stick around and practice with the team.’

It sounds like he may be signed a few days after the season starts.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 7 @ 4:28 PM ET
Can't wait to see this final roster.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 4:31 PM ET
Can't wait to see this final roster.
- Feanor


Has to be out by 5 PM, right?
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Oct 7 @ 4:35 PM ET
Nothing as of yet.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...g-a-deal-from-the-bruins/

“My impressions are that he’s getting better. I think he’s skating better and he’s starting to get his hands back. He’s been away from the game – he’s skated for most of the year, but he’s been away from the game for the whole year,” said Chiarelli. “I spoke with him (Saturday) morning, and I made a proposal to him in the sense of, ‘Look Simon, I see you getting better, I want you to stick around and practice with the team.’

It sounds like he may be signed a few days after the season starts.

- jmatchett383



so he isn't playing tomorrow ?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 4:36 PM ET
so he isn't playing tomorrow ?
- -davies-


Nothing confirmed, but it sounds like he's going to just keep practicing with them and hopefully have it turn into a contract as the season goes along.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 7 @ 4:40 PM ET
Nothing confirmed, but it sounds like he's going to just keep practicing with them and hopefully have it turn into a contract as the season goes along.
- jmatchett383

Let's see if I understand the LTIR correctly: The Bruins, per capgeek, are currently $867,476 over the cap (including Savard). Is it unlikely that that Hamilton will be "sent down" to get compliant? Afterwords, Savard could be put on LTIR, they could bring Hamilton back up, and be free to sign Gagne with the remaining LTIR allowance.

Bring it, cap geeks.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Oct 7 @ 4:43 PM ET
Let's see if I understand the LTIR correctly: The Bruins, per capgeek, are currently $867,476 over the cap (including Savard). Is it unlikely that that Hamilton will be "sent down" to get compliant? Afterwords, Savard could be put on LTIR, they could bring Hamilton back up, and be free to sign Gagne with the remaining LTIR allowance.

Bring it, cap geeks.

- BulliesPhan87


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that would mean Hamilton would be ineligible for game one; that's if he is waiver eligible.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 7 @ 4:43 PM ET
I'd like to know if they'd do that again. Since they matched, it's been two non playoff years so I can't expect they're rolling in dough.
- Hextall271


They've never been rolling in dough. If Nashville doesn't match that offer, they are ever closer to being the laughing stock of the NHL. Basically tells other teams "Feel free to push us around because our market sucks and we can't afford to keep our players."

Barry Trotz has done a pretty good job of coaching that team despite the personnel he has had to work with over the years.

The only major point producing forward they've ever had in their existence is Paul Kariya. An old Paul Kariya. Unless we're also including Cliff Ronning, Steve Sullivan, and JP Dumont.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 4:43 PM ET
Let's see if I understand the LTIR correctly: The Bruins, per capgeek, are currently $867,476 over the cap (including Savard). Is it unlikely that that Hamilton will be "sent down" to get compliant? Afterwords, Savard could be put on LTIR, they could bring Hamilton back up, and be free to sign Gagne with the remaining LTIR allowance.

Bring it, cap geeks.

- BulliesPhan87


Sounds about right. It's basically a study in paper work.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 4:49 PM ET
They've never been rolling in dough. If Nashville doesn't match that offer, they are ever closer to being the laughing stock of the NHL. Basically tells other teams "Feel free to push us around because our market sucks and we can't afford to keep our players."

Barry Trotz has done a pretty good job of coaching that team despite the personnel he has had to work with over the years.

The only major point producing forward they've ever had in their existence is Paul Kariya. An old Paul Kariya. Unless we're also including Cliff Ronning, Steve Sullivan, and JP Dumont.

- mcefalu


Jason Arnott holds the team record for goals in a season with 33. The Flyers have had 12 players score more goals during Nashville's existence. They've really been starved for basically any sustained offense.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 7 @ 4:52 PM ET
Let's see if I understand the LTIR correctly: The Bruins, per capgeek, are currently $867,476 over the cap (including Savard). Is it unlikely that that Hamilton will be "sent down" to get compliant? Afterwords, Savard could be put on LTIR, they could bring Hamilton back up, and be free to sign Gagne with the remaining LTIR allowance.

Bring it, cap geeks.

- BulliesPhan87


If they are over the cap at 5pm, they only get LTIR relief for Savard in the amount they are over. If they are under and then put Savard on LTIR tomorrow, they get the full amount if relief. That's why Pronger is on LTIR now, and Timonen won't be until tomorrow
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 4:56 PM ET
Furthermore, it looks like an actual sweater.
- johndewar


Well it is. It's made of wool.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:01 PM ET
Plenty of pessimism
- eayost


I wasn't very encouraged by his pre-season...but we'll see. It's a long year.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:04 PM ET
Honestly, there's a lot to be pessimistic about. The Flyers have some talent, and could be a playoff team. But they will need a lot of things to go right for that to happen.

Also, saying that they might not be a playoff team this year isn't really a bad thing, because they have a long term plan in place and seem dedicated to it, rather than jumping into quick fixes and short term solutions.

If missing the playoffs doesn't result in a slew of short term, short sighted decisions, it's not the end of the world. As it is, I wouldn't be surprised if they finished 2nd in the Metro. Also wouldn't be amazed if they finished 7th. It's wide open. The same goes for both NY teams, the Caps, Jackets and Devils, too.

i think Pittsburgh will be 1st and Carolina last. Outside of them, pick 'em.

- Jsaquella


Ek picked them 2nd. I don't see it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:05 PM ET
Nothing confirmed, but it sounds like he's going to just keep practicing with them and hopefully have it turn into a contract as the season goes along.
- jmatchett383


I don't think he is allowed technically to practice with the team if he's not signed. Unless there is something in the CBA I'm not aware of.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:05 PM ET
Love the old darker orange road jerseys.. I've got quite a few in my collection.
- Hextall271




I don't like the new orange.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:07 PM ET
Let's see if I understand the LTIR correctly: The Bruins, per capgeek, are currently $867,476 over the cap (including Savard). Is it unlikely that that Hamilton will be "sent down" to get compliant? Afterwords, Savard could be put on LTIR, they could bring Hamilton back up, and be free to sign Gagne with the remaining LTIR allowance.

Bring it, cap geeks.

- BulliesPhan87


Looking at it, it seems the easiest way is demote Hamilton to get compliant. Then on opening day, place Savard on LTIR, recall Hamilton. And sign Gagne is they choose to. Exactly as you said.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 5:08 PM ET
I don't think he is allowed technically to practice with the team if he's not signed. Unless there is something in the CBA I'm not aware of.
- MJL


Is there a termination period on a PTO? And can teams have unsigned (non-amateur) prospects skate with them at practice?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:10 PM ET
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that would mean Hamilton would be ineligible for game one; that's if he is waiver eligible.
- mochoson


I think that is wrong. Tomorrow at 5PM, they can recall Hamilton, and put him in the lineup.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 5:11 PM ET
Is there a termination period on a PTO? And can teams have unsigned (non-amateur) prospects skate with them at practice?
- jmatchett383


To my knowledge, once camp breaks and a roster is submitted, only those players on the roster can practice with the team. Unless there is some technicality that I'm unaware of.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 7 @ 5:11 PM ET
Looking at it, it seems the easiest way is demote Hamilton to get compliant. Then on opening day, place Savard on LTIR, recall Hamilton. And sign Gagne is they choose to. Exactly as you said.
- MJL

I'm a little surprised I didn't miss something. LTIR is one of the trickier parts of an already tricky cap.
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