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dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Oct 8 @ 9:13 AM ET
I laughed.
- Der Kaiser



Was gonna go with Beef Tenderette.
yen6d1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: maxim Afinogenov, NY
Joined: 02.21.2011

Oct 8 @ 9:14 AM ET
Nope.


Played in the preseason and now requires surgery. Injured players can't be sent down.

If it was from before, Calgary screwed the pooch as they should have shut him down in the offseason.

They now burn a year if he goes under the knife.

- dadeadhead


Just curious. Can they just send him down now and have Kingston place him on their injury list?
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Oct 8 @ 9:14 AM ET
Getting Old................
- dadeadhead



50 is the new 47 1/2.
Maximum Signal
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 8 @ 9:15 AM ET
Getting Old................
- dadeadhead


Aren't we all !

dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Oct 8 @ 9:15 AM ET
Big Birthday party at Charlie the Butchers today!

http://www.charliethebutcher.com/

- Maximum Signal



http://youtu.be/Y1tFx5xKrSI
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Oct 8 @ 9:16 AM ET
Healthy living ? Or diet ?
- Maximum Signal



Time to tune things back up. Once upon I time I was a strapping young buck. Now I grunt putting on my socks in the morning.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Oct 8 @ 9:17 AM ET
Just curious. Can they just send him down now and have Kingston place him on their injury list?
- yen6d1



Nope.


Injured on NHL time.

Kind of like when an AHL player gets hurt on call up.


Unless they do a little rule changing to help Calgary out.
Maximum Signal
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 8 @ 9:17 AM ET
http://youtu.be/Y1tFx5xKrSI
- dadeadhead


Been there! amazing !
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Oct 8 @ 9:17 AM ET
Seems that I missed more bickering last night...damn this budget time at work taking up all my time.

At least we are in mid-season form come the start of the season!

buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 8 @ 9:18 AM ET
Nope.


Injured on NHL time.

Kind of like when an AHL player gets hurt on call up.


Unless they do a little rule changing to help Calgary out.

- dadeadhead



Didn't Zadorov stay here longer than nine games, but played less than that during the year? That didn't burn a year of his, did it?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Oct 8 @ 9:19 AM ET
Nope.


Injured on NHL time.

Kind of like when an AHL player gets hurt on call up.


Unless they do a little rule changing to help Calgary out.

- dadeadhead


He goes on IR for Calgary. However it doesn't burn a year of his contract since he has to dress for 10 games for his contract year to kick in. He will still get paid, but as long as he is on IR he won't count against the player count for Calgary.
IndianaSabresFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Matt FRICKIN ELLIS, IN
Joined: 01.17.2007

Oct 8 @ 9:19 AM ET
That aint roast beef at my house pal. It's filet mignon!!
- Der Kaiser

two kids lat...... oh nevermind. this is not going down a good road
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Oct 8 @ 9:19 AM ET
Time to tune things back up. Once upon I time I was a strapping young buck. Now I grunt putting on my socks in the morning.
- Der Kaiser



I do that but only because I have a torn labral in my right hip.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Oct 8 @ 9:20 AM ET
Didn't Zadorov stay here longer than nine games, but played less than that during the year? That didn't burn a year of his, did it?
- buffalofan19


It did not burn a year. He played in 7 games I believe.
yen6d1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: maxim Afinogenov, NY
Joined: 02.21.2011

Oct 8 @ 9:21 AM ET
Nope.


Injured on NHL time.

Kind of like when an AHL player gets hurt on call up.


Unless they do a little rule changing to help Calgary out.

- dadeadhead



Makes sense thanks!!
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 8 @ 9:21 AM ET
It did not burn a year. He played in 7 games I believe.
- Stripes77



He was up here for longer than that, though, correct? He had an injury last year.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Oct 8 @ 9:22 AM ET
He goes on IR for Calgary. However it doesn't burn a year of his contract since he has to dress for 10 games for his contract year to kick in. He will still get paid, but as long as he is on IR he won't count against the player count for Calgary.
- Stripes77



It counts as full pay thus eliminating the ELSR for the year.

It's a 3yr deal(with 2 ELSR yrs), if he gets his full pay(for the season), it then becomes a two year deal with one ELS yr left.


If it doesn't count it's something the NHL amends.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Oct 8 @ 9:23 AM ET
He was up here for longer than that, though, correct? He had an injury last year.
- buffalofan19


Had an injury and sat for a few games after I believe. He didn't get sent back down until Lafontaine was here I think.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 8 @ 9:25 AM ET
Had an injury and sat for a few games after I believe. He didn't get sent back down until Lafontaine was here I think.
- Stripes77



That's what I thought.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...ov-no-longer-with-sabres/

According to the article above, he was sent down on November 19th. They had played more than nine games by then.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Oct 8 @ 9:29 AM ET
It counts as full pay thus eliminating the ELSR for the year.

It's a 3yr deal, if he gets his full pay, it then becomes a two year deal with one ELS yr left.


If it doesn't count it's something the NHL amends.

- dadeadhead


(d) (i) In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old Player signs an SPC with a
Club but does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the first season
under that SPC, the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry
Level System shall be extended for a period of one (1) year, except that
this automatic extension will not apply to a Player who is 19 according to
Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between September 16 and December
31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC. Unless a Player and Club
expressly agree to the contrary, in the event a Player's SPC is extended an
additional year in accordance with this subsection, all terms of the SPC,
with the exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary,
games played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all
circumstances.

In the event that a Player signs his first SPC at age 18 and has had his SPC
extended pursuant to Subsection (i), and such Player does not play at least
ten (10) NHL Games in the second season under that SPC, then the term
of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be
extended for one (1) additional year. Unless a Player and Club expressly
agree to the contrary, in the event a Player's SPC is extended an additional
year in accordance with this Subsection, all terms of the SPC, with the
exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games
played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all
circumstances.


As the rule states he has to PLAY in 10 games for it to kick in
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Oct 8 @ 9:29 AM ET
That's what I thought.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...ov-no-longer-with-sabres/

According to the article above, he was sent down on November 19th. They had played more than nine games by then.

- buffalofan19



Then thats more things the NHL has gotten wrong IMO.


Zadorov was here for 31 days last year.

Didn't something similar happen to Grigorenko where they deemed team games played as counting against him thus screwing Buffalo. Same thing happened to Matteau in NJ that season.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Oct 8 @ 9:31 AM ET
(d) (i) In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old Player signs an SPC with a
Club but does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the first season
under that SPC, the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry
Level System shall be extended for a period of one (1) year, except that
this automatic extension will not apply to a Player who is 19 according to
Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between September 16 and December
31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC. Unless a Player and Club
expressly agree to the contrary, in the event a Player's SPC is extended an
additional year in accordance with this subsection, all terms of the SPC,
with the exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary,
games played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all
circumstances.

In the event that a Player signs his first SPC at age 18 and has had his SPC
extended pursuant to Subsection (i), and such Player does not play at least
ten (10) NHL Games in the second season under that SPC, then the term
of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be
extended for one (1) additional year. Unless a Player and Club expressly
agree to the contrary, in the event a Player's SPC is extended an additional
year in accordance with this Subsection, all terms of the SPC, with the
exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games
played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all
circumstances.


As the rule states he has to PLAY in 10 games for it to kick in

- Stripes77


Then why did Mattau(sp?) get screwed by team games played 2 yrs ago?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Oct 8 @ 9:34 AM ET
Then thats more things the NHL has gotten wrong IMO.


Zadorov was here for 31 days last year.

Didn't something similar happen to Grigorenko where they deemed team games played as counting against him thus screwing Buffalo. Same thing happened to Mattau in NJ that season.

- dadeadhead


That was for the Traverse City tournament that he couldn't play in.

Grigorenko did burn a year as he played more than 9 games last year. In the short season he played 25 games and last year he played 18.

Matteau played in 17 NHL games in 2012-2013.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Oct 8 @ 9:34 AM ET
Then why did Mattau(sp?) get screwed by team games played 2 yrs ago?
- dadeadhead


I would guess that because Grigorenko and Mattau were both on the active roster for over 20 some games that's why. Technically, Bennett isn't going to be on the active roster (the 23 max players teams can carry) because he'll be on IR so that's where the difference lies.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Oct 8 @ 9:39 AM ET
(d) (i) In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old Player signs an SPC with a
Club but does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the first season
under that SPC, the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry
Level System shall be extended for a period of one (1) year, except that
this automatic extension will not apply to a Player who is 19 according to
Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between September 16 and December
31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC. Unless a Player and Club
expressly agree to the contrary, in the event a Player's SPC is extended an
additional year in accordance with this subsection, all terms of the SPC,
with the exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary,
games played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all
circumstances.

In the event that a Player signs his first SPC at age 18 and has had his SPC
extended pursuant to Subsection (i), and such Player does not play at least
ten (10) NHL Games in the second season under that SPC, then the term
of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be
extended for one (1) additional year. Unless a Player and Club expressly
agree to the contrary, in the event a Player's SPC is extended an additional
year in accordance with this Subsection, all terms of the SPC, with the
exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games
played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all
circumstances.


As the rule states he has to PLAY in 10 games for it to kick in

- Stripes77



Total value of the contract is 3yrs 9.675 mil.

His Salary is 3yrs at 2.775 with 92,500 being a signing bonus for slide rule purposes.


If he is on the roster the entire year (injured) he will make $925k thus taking the total salary of his deal to 1.850.

He loses a year on the contract then. It doesn't slide.
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