Which is why this whole charade is ridiculous anyway.

Find a way to grant an exception so everyone is made whole. The NHL made an exception for the Devils in the Kovalchuk mess and they can make one here.
- johndewar

I propose we gather 15,000 or so Flyers fans, paint our faces orange and black, remove out trousers and undergarments, and march on the NHL offices and demand satisfaction.

I propose we gather 15,000 or so Flyers fans, paint our faces orange and black, remove out trousers and undergarments, and march on the NHL offices and demand satisfaction.
- jmatchett383

THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

/gathers pitchforks and torches

i would argue that the underlying concepts and principles are so interwoven with the hypothetical itself that it is difficult to distinguish one from the other. regardless, they all require an acknowledgement of possible solutions, or at the very least, a reflection of why the hypothetical was proposed.

in either case, learning occurs. and a wise man on PBS once told me that time's never wasted as long as you learned something.
- stayinthefnnet

(frank) your lawyerese gibberish.

i would argue that the underlying concepts and principles are so interwoven with the hypothetical itself that it is difficult to distinguish one from the other. regardless, they all require an acknowledgement of possible solutions, or at the very least, a reflection of why the hypothetical was proposed.

in either case, learning occurs. and a wise man on PBS once told me that time's never wasted as long as you learned something.
- stayinthefnnet

To learn is to change and to change is to live.

i would argue that the underlying concepts and principles are so interwoven with the hypothetical itself that it is difficult to distinguish one from the other. regardless, they all require an acknowledgement of possible solutions, or at the very least, a reflection of why the hypothetical was proposed.

in either case, learning occurs. and a wise man on PBS once told me that time's never wasted as long as you learned something.
- stayinthefnnet

You use your tongue prettier than a $20 whore

To learn is to change and to change is to live.
- NickTheKid87

It's only a model.

It's only a model.
- jmatchett383

To learn is to change and to change is to live.
- NickTheKid87

and to live is to die.

(frank) your lawyerese gibberish.
- jmatchett383

you so mean!

To learn is to change and to change is to live.
- NickTheKid87

That's how I feel about new underwear.

You use your tongue prettier than a $20 whore


- Jsaquella

need to find me one of those.

It doesn't defeat the purpose though. The cap isn't in place to keep players from retiring and from hampering teams from moving on. Pronger and Savard are suffering from concussion issues that will plague them for the remainder of their lives. I don't see how letting them retire while still paying them and everyone getting their share of the money defeats the purpose of the cap. We're not talking about excepting all players that get hurt, like Lecavalier breaks his foot and we can get rid of him.
- NickTheKid87

Marc Savard and Chris Pronger are free to retire at any time. The Cap doesn't prevent them from retiring. Nor does it hamper a team from moving on. The mechanism's put in place such as the off season exemption, and LTIR, help a team to move on from an injured player, not hamper them.
The purpose of the cap is to limit salaries paid to player. Cap accounting is done to keep track of how much of HRR is paid to players, and that the correct split of money is paid to the players. Paying players and not counting them as part of the HRR split is contradictory to that.

Every year at this time, the same complaints are registered. Most of them such as players being kept from retiring, are false.

Wait...PEB is black? I don't mind, but I was totally not aware of this fact.

This has nothing to do with it being complicated. It's mostly so Pronger can live his life and the Flyers can move on. If it makes you feel good that you understand it and others don't, that's fine, but I don't see that as being the main issue being raised by those who would like an exception.
- NickTheKid87

Pronger is living his life, and is being paid, and the Flyers have clearly moved on from the player.

(frank) your lawyerese gibberish.
- jmatchett383

X2

You use your tongue prettier than a $20 whore


- Jsaquella

yes

just yes

Pronger is living his life, and is being paid, and the Flyers have clearly moved on from the player.
- MJL

Cool. I hope Pronger takes a job as a coach soon. I bet he'd make a good junior head coach or maybe an assistant somewhere.

Since the Flyers have moved on from the player.

Wait...PEB is black? I don't mind, but I was totally not aware of this fact.
- jmatchett383

Kind of looks like Raffi there

Marc Savard and Chris Pronger are free to retire at any time. The Cap doesn't prevent them from retiring. Nor does it hamper a team from moving on. The mechanism's put in place such as the off season exemption, and LTIR, help a team to move on from an injured player, not hamper them.
The purpose of the cap is to limit salaries paid to player. Cap accounting is done to keep track of how much of HRR is paid to players, and that the correct split of money is paid to the players. Paying players and not counting them as part of the HRR split is contradictory to that.

Every year at this time, the same complaints are registered. Most of them such as players being kept from retiring, are false.
- MJL

You do realize that people say "not allowed to retire" as shorthand for "not retiring due to long-term salary cap implications for the parent club, as well as the player not receiving his agreed-upon salary?"

Marc Savard and Chris Pronger are free to retire at any time. The Cap doesn't prevent them from retiring. Nor does it hamper a team from moving on. The mechanism's put in place such as the off season exemption, and LTIR, help a team to move on from an injured player, not hamper them.
The purpose of the cap is to limit salaries paid to player. Cap accounting is done to keep track of how much of HRR is paid to players, and that the correct split of money is paid to the players. Paying players and not counting them as part of the HRR split is contradictory to that.

Every year at this time, the same complaints are registered. Most of them such as players being kept from retiring, are false.
- MJL

You know what we mean. Not literally being kept from retiring but everyone knows if they do they screw over the team.

While many of us would like to see an exception, it's not that big of a deal if there isn't one from a cap perspective. That being said, there's not really a downside to all the suggested exception scenarios we've seen either.

Pronger is living his life, and is being paid, and the Flyers have clearly moved on from the player.
- MJL

So why not just except him? Cuts both ways.

Cool. I hope Pronger takes a job as a coach soon. I bet he'd make a good junior head coach or maybe an assistant somewhere.

Since the Flyers have moved on from the player.
- mcefalu

I'm actually wondering how Pronger, one of the dirtiest players of the last 2 decades, is offered a job relating to player safety...unless they figure he can tell the, what NOT to allow.

You do realize that people say "not allowed to retire" as shorthand for "not retiring due to long-term salary cap implications for the parent club, as well as the player not receiving his agreed-upon salary?"
- AllInForFlyers

I'm actually wondering how Pronger, one of the dirtiest players of the last 2 decades, is offered a job relating to player safety...unless they figure he can tell the, what NOT to allow.
- jmatchett383

Like when FDR put Joe Kennedy in charge of the SEC, back in the 1930's...who better to catch thieves than a thief?

- Jsaquella

Winner, winner, chicken dinner -- you have won the Internet for October 8, 2014