I'm actually wondering how Pronger, one of the dirtiest players of the last 2 decades, is offered a job relating to player safety...unless they figure he can tell the, what NOT to allow.
- jmatchett383

It's like how they hire hackers to create firewalls and such.

I'm actually wondering how Pronger, one of the dirtiest players of the last 2 decades, is offered a job relating to player safety...unless they figure he can tell the, what NOT to allow.
- jmatchett383

Actually, that's what it sounds like the argument is in favor of him landing the job.

At least that is sort of what this piece is saying on Puck Daddy - http://sports.yahoo.com/b...-on-flyers-153457960.html

Mogilny was on an over 35 deal and retired due to injury. He came off the cap as a result of the exception made to the 2005 CBA.

It's been explained numerous times that the HRR impact could be handled by using the CBO formula.

For someone that doesn't deal with hypotheticals , you have a lot to say about one.
- Jsaquella

Mogilny's injury happened before the lockout, which is why the NHL made that exception.



What's been explained is just what some fans want, because they can't grasp that the LTIR rule works perfectly, and there is no reason to change it.

And where is the harm in that? Nobody can predict acute onset career ending injuries. So in a case like Savards or Pronger's... there is no reason why these guys should be held in limbo. Its stupid.
- jak521

The possibility does exist that a player can recover from PCS and be declared medically fit to play over time. The players are not held in limbo.

I'm actually wondering how Pronger, one of the dirtiest players of the last 2 decades, is offered a job relating to player safety...unless they figure he can tell the, what NOT to allow.
- jmatchett383

itll be a 2 man panel of him and matt cooke. they will strap brain scan monitors to them. they will review film, and if an incident registers over a certain level of activity in response it shall be warrant a suspension.

I think the solution is to create a "bonafide career-ending injury" exemption to the salary cap rules for over-35 contracts that a) still counts against the upper limit (so it's still accounted for leaguewide, ala the compliance buyouts) and b) eliminates the annual cap-related LTIR charade for a player like Pronger.

The owners are happy with additional cap space in the offseason and an extra contract slot. The league will be happy because this would mean another player that can help the team win and, subsequently, make more money. The players will be happy because they don't have to be in limbo and move on with their lives.
- NickTheKid87

The League won't be happy, because there will be more money paid to players. That is the entire reason why the Cap is in place.

- Jsaquella

litrilly

I think the solution is to create a "bonafide career-ending injury" exemption to the salary cap rules for over-35 contracts that a) still counts against the upper limit (so it's still accounted for leaguewide, ala the compliance buyouts) and b) eliminates the annual cap-related LTIR charade for a player like Pronger.
- bmeltzer

DING DING DING DING

Mogilny's injury happened before the lockout, which is why the NHL made that exception.



What's been explained is just what some fans want, because they can't grasp that the LTIR rule works perfectly, and there is no reason to change it.
- MJL

No one is proposing changing the LTIR rule.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner -- you have won the Internet for October 8, 2014



- AllInForFlyers

I won it for the decade though

Actually, that's what it sounds like the argument is in favor of him landing the job.

At least that is sort of what this piece is saying on Puck Daddy - http://sports.yahoo.com/b...-on-flyers-153457960.html
- mcefalu

One, he racked up 1,916 penalty minutes in the regular season and playoffs combined over his 18-year NHL career. He was suspended eight times for a total of 22 games – 20 in the regular season and two in the playoffs. The infractions? Slashing. High-sticking. Leaving the bench to join an altercation. Cross-checking. Kicking (twice). Hitting the head (twice).

atta boy

All I'll say about Chris Pronger is this: If he truly does go to work for the Department of Player Safety, it is absolutely ludicrous that he isn't allowed to retire -- the league is acknowledging that he can't play!
- AllInForFlyers

It's already been ackowledged that he can't play. That's why he's on the LTIR list. Pronger is allowed to retire. He can retire at any time.

I'm actually wondering how Pronger, one of the dirtiest players of the last 2 decades, is offered a job relating to player safety...unless they figure he can tell the, what NOT to allow.
- jmatchett383

Shanny was no angel on the ice himself but ran the DOPS. Not all that different from former enforcer Paul Stewart becoming an NHL ref or Dan Kordic later unsuccessfully attempting to do so.

I think the solution is to create a "bonafide career-ending injury" exemption to the salary cap rules for over-35 contracts that a) still counts against the upper limit (so it's still accounted for leaguewide, ala the compliance buyouts) and b) eliminates the annual cap-related LTIR charade for a player like Pronger.
- bmeltzer

Yup. That's what a few of us have been saying. Dig the input, Bill.

One, he racked up 1,916 penalty minutes in the regular season and playoffs combined over his 18-year NHL career. He was suspended eight times for a total of 22 games – 20 in the regular season and two in the playoffs. The infractions? Slashing. High-sticking. Leaving the bench to join an altercation. Cross-checking. Kicking (twice). Hitting the head (twice).

atta boy
- jmatchett383

*nods approvingly*

If Chris wants to work in NYC, does that mean he and Mrs Chris are splitting? Because they all moved back to StL and I just find it hard to believe she'd uproot the family again, never having wanted to leave StL in the first place.

Also, Chris still "has good days and bad days." So he's going to move to NYC, which is louder, busier, and basically a nightmare of visual stimuli for someone who has trouble with such things? I just find it hard to imagine.

As for the guys on Twitter now saying the Flyers have been cheating by having him on LTIR. They are maroons. Block them all and move on.

*nods approvingly*
- mcefalu

Gotchya covered

Gotchya covered


- Giroux_Is_God

Thank you for the assist, kind sir!

You do realize that people say "not allowed to retire" as shorthand for "not retiring due to long-term salary cap implications for the parent club, as well as the player not receiving his agreed-upon salary?"
- AllInForFlyers

If you retire from your job, is your job still going to pay you?

So what you're saying is that Pronger should be allowed to retire, while still being paid, while the Flyers or any other team shouldn't be held accountable for anything, including that it's possible that a player can recover from an injury, and after time, be declared cleared to play?

It's already been ackowledged that he can't play. That's why he's on the LTIR list. Pronger is allowed to retire. He can retire at any time.
- MJL

Are you sure? You're entirely certain that he can retire at any time?

How about 12:14.54 a.m. on July 7, 2015? How about then?

Can he retire during a lunar eclipse? Can he retire in the middle of the woods? If he does, will it make a sound?

Because I'm not totally clear on this whole "Chris Pronger can retire at any time" thing.

So why not just except him? Cuts both ways.
- NickTheKid87

For reasons that I've explained multiple times.

If you retire from your job, is your job still going to pay you?

So what you're saying is that Pronger should be allowed to retire, while still being paid, while the Flyers or any other team shouldn't be held accountable for anything, including that it's possible that a player can recover from an injury, and after time, be declared cleared to play?
- MJL

If those are the terms of your employment, then sure.

No one is proposing changing the LTIR rule.
- NickTheKid87

By creating an exception for a player like Pronger, you are changing the rules.

If Chris wants to work in NYC, does that mean he and Mrs Chris are splitting? Because they all moved back to StL and I just find it hard to believe she'd uproot the family again, never having wanted to leave StL in the first place.

Also, Chris still "has good days and bad days." So he's going to move to NYC, which is louder, busier, and basically a nightmare of visual stimuli for someone who has trouble with such things? I just find it hard to imagine.

As for the guys on Twitter now saying the Flyers have been cheating by having him on LTIR. They are maroons. Block them all and move on.
- bodiva88

Speaking of Maroons... I noticed Patrick is riding the second line in Anaheim who are one of the big 4 in the West.