He can be traded (assuming the other team does not demand he pass a physical) but not waived, you're right.

Edit: BiggE has the right idea.
- jmatchett383

He doesn't necessarily have to be waived... anything that violates an SPC is grounds for termination. Refusing an assignment is one... I'm sure there are others.

Another note: NHL has to approve any mutual termination, so....

I thought his leg was ruined.
- jmatchett383

Only if he keeps using the short stick

He doesn't necessarily have to be waived... anything that violates an SPC is grounds for termination. Refusing an assignment is one... I'm sure there are others.

Another note: NHL has to approve any mutual termination, so....
- Tomahawk

So the NHL can tell him he's not allowed to retire?

Replacing Grossmann with Ghost as a drop-in worries me. Grossmann has his deficiencies, but they're completely different types of players.
- jmatchett383

If Grossmann goes down, he won't be replaced by Ghost. There is no way they will ice a lineup with MDZ, Streit and Ghost all in it. If Grossmann gets hurt, Schultz will probably get 1st crack at his spot, followed by Alt or Manning.

I thought his leg was ruined.
- jmatchett383

He has 2 of em, man up!

So the NHL can tell him he's not allowed to retire?
- jmatchett383

They can call shenanigans.

I thought his leg was ruined.
- jmatchett383

I heard they implanted a bionic leg and he's asking for SIX MILLION DOLLAR contract..

(pretend its Joni's face in this photo)

The league isn't going to let the Flyers do anything but put him on LTIR. They make up the rules as they go and if they can keep the Flyers shuffling over that contract they will.
- mayorofangrytown

If Grossmann goes down, he won't be replaced by Ghost. There is no way they will ice a lineup with MDZ, Streit and Ghost all in it. If Grossmann gets hurt, Schultz will probably get 1st crack at his spot, followed by Alt or Manning.
- BiggE

I'm sorry, don't you just play the best players?

So you think they score 264 goals while giving up around 220-225? That's pretty optimistic. I think 245-250GF and 230-235GA is more likely.
- BiggE

This is best case scenario and I'm not really accounting for major injuries or guys totally falling off. Mostly I was just throwing numbers out there.

They can call shenanigans.
- Tomahawk

So, theoretically, you're telling me he could go into a coma and/or die, and the NHL could (theoretically) refuse to let him be retired from hockey?

Slow day at work. Point predictions!

Giroux - 80 GP, 28 G/66 A/94 Pts
Voracek - 81, 30/41/71
Lecavalier - 71, 26/34/60
Simmonds - 77, 27/30/57
BSchenn - 82, 23/33/56
Couturier - 82, 19/35/54
Read - 75, 22/27/49
Streit - 79, 7/37/44
Umberger - 72, 18/24/42
Raffl - 78, 14/25/39
Akeson - 63, 11/22/33
MacDonald - 82, 5/27/32
Bellemare - 73, 7/15/22
Del Zotto - 60, 3/19/22
Coburn - 81, 2/13/15
Rinaldo - 67, 4/8/12
Grossmann - 71, 1/11/12
Jones - 37, 5/5/10
LSchenn - 64, 2/7/9
Schultz - 17, 0/1/1

Mason - 66 GP, 2.58 GAA/.915 SV%
Emery - 24, 2.64/.911
- NickTheKid87

These look really good. Only thing I'd say is that Streit nets at least 10 goals with increased PP time

So, theoretically, you're telling me he could go into a coma and/or die, and the NHL could (theoretically) refuse to let him be retired from hockey?
- jmatchett383

They're makin' up rules... sometimes we like, sometimes not so much.

See also Devils, New Jersey

If Grossmann goes down, he won't be replaced by Ghost. There is no way they will ice a lineup with MDZ, Streit and Ghost all in it. If Grossmann gets hurt, Schultz will probably get 1st crack at his spot, followed by Alt or Manning.
- BiggE

That's how I'd see it. Schultz if there's a game or two right around the corner, and one of Alt/Manning if there's a long stretch where he'll be missing and they have time to get there (wherever the game is) and practice.

These look really good. Only thing I'd say is that Streit nets at least 10 goals with increased PP time
- mcefalu

Simmonds will break 60 pts
RJ will go sub 40

They're makin' up rules... somrtimes we like sometimes not so much.

See also Devils, New Jersey
- mayorofangrytown

The best (worst) thing about that was that they made up the rules, and then decided to revise their made-up rules years later.

So, theoretically, you're telling me he could go into a coma and/or die, and the NHL could (theoretically) refuse to let him be retired from hockey?
- jmatchett383

We're still talking about your violation -> termination scenario, right?

Simmonds will break 60 pts
RJ will go sub 40
- MrBigglesworth

That's probably true too. Might also lower the point totals of the fourth liners a smidge

I'm sorry, don't you just play the best players?
- mayorofangrytown

Its not just about offensive talent. You need to defend as well. I wouldn't be comfortable using Streit, MDZ or Ghost on the PK or late in a game against top 6 forwards while protecting a lead. Grossmann's role on this team is to provide D and kill penalties. If you're going to replace him, you need to replace with someone who can do at least some of what he does. That would not be Ghost. Now if Streit or MDZ get hurt, hell yeah, get Ghost up here!

So, theoretically, you're telling me he could go into a coma and/or die, and the NHL could (theoretically) refuse to let him be retired from hockey?
- jmatchett383

"I am above the law!"
-Gary Bettman

That's probably true too. Might also lower the point totals of the fourth liners a smidge
- mcefalu

Schenn will prob break 60pts too playing on the 1st line

http://www.nj.com/flyers/...nd_on_re-signing_him.html

Apparently Simon is still pretty miffed at Homer.
- MBFlyerfan

if there was that much lack of communication between Homer and Gagne's side I don't blame him

Simmonds will break 60 pts
RJ will go sub 40
- MrBigglesworth

Agreed

Simmonds will break 60 pts
RJ will go sub 40
- MrBigglesworth

I feel like Simmer will flirt w/ 40 goals.

Schenn will prob break 60pts too playing on the 1st line
- MrBigglesworth

Maybe, but if he's not playing on the #1 pp unit, that will be tough. I think he comes close though, maybe 26-27 goals and 55-58 points.