0-2-1 1pt

Tue Oct 14, 2014 Ducks 7:00 PM
Sat Oct 18, 2014 Stars 8:00 PM
Tue Oct 21, 2014 Blackhawks 8:30 PM
Wed Oct 22, 2014 Penguins 8:00 PM
Sat Oct 25, 2014 Red Wings 7:00 PM
Tue Oct 28, 2014 Kings 7:00 PM
Thu Oct 30, 2014 Lightning 7:30 PM

How are we feeling about October?

Over/Under 4pts

I'm not trying to be miserable (Bill ) but this is a very sad reality folks.
- mayorofangrytown

I'm looking at 2-5-3 for 7 pts but I tend to be optimistic

We traded for Luke Schenn's deal! What's changed since making a deal that probably never should have happened? What sort of pair is going to make Del Zotto better? Or Grossmann better? Or Schultz? Has a raise made MacDonald a number one defenseman?

I don't think there is anything wrong with getting Luke Schenn a better D partner, especially if we've seen better. I think the pairs should be considered being switched up as we speak.
- SuperSchennBros

What's changed? Nothing. That's the problem. The Flyers made the trade hoping he'd find consistency and become a solid guy that you can plug in and not worry about. That hasn't happened.

There's nothing wrong with finding Schenn a better partner, but why does a guy making $3.6mm need to be carried? You can pay a guy like Manning under $1mm and he can be carried.

The bottom line is, Schenn is what he is, a bottom 3 defenseman who struggles with consistency and has questionable mobility and hockey sense. You can find that cheaper than $3.6mm

you told us this was the master plan

It's proceeding like clockwork
- Marc D

When do you think we start selling for draft picks and prospects? Thanksgiving or do we wait to see who gets desperate at the deadline and maybe get stuck with some of these gems for another season?

They have Ristolainen in the lineup. At least they have one player with upside.

And hell, apparently we're done plumbing the depths of the Islanders D, now we're stalking Sabres defensemen.
- mayorofangrytown

I have a feeling a deal with Tampa Bay is coming

Eric Brewer if a fair deal can worked out makes sense for both teams

Not sure what juggling they could do to fit the cap hit

So if the Meyers rumor is true, what is Anaheim's thinking in being interested, considering they're on the other end of the spectrum as a team (cup contender)?

I'm looking at 2-5-3 for 7 pts but I tend to be optimistic
- BiggE

Please tell me the four teams they're beating or taking to over time because You're typing optimistic but I'm reading drunk.

i love numbers as much as the next guy... sure grossman ices the puck at times. unneeded times as well... but he turns it over less (watching the game anyway). he knows his limitations, where as i dont think amac does.
- tweaver3312

According to this Grossmann has twice as many turnovers as MacDonald this season, despite the fact he gets easier minutes, and considerably fewer minutes.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&viewName=rtssPlayerStats

What's changed? Nothing. That's the problem. The Flyers made the trade hoping he'd find consistency and become a solid guy that you can plug in and not worry about. That hasn't happened.

There's nothing wrong with finding Schenn a better partner, but why does a guy making $3.6mm need to be carried? You can pay a guy like Manning under $1mm and he can be carried.

The bottom line is, Schenn is what he is, a bottom 3 defenseman who struggles with consistency and has questionable mobility and hockey sense. You can find that cheaper than $3.6mm
- Jsaquella

You repeating how much he makes is a waste of time, I haven't forgot. I just think you have tunnel vision for 1 player in a game by game basis.

Cap trouble, trading away too many picks over the past 5 seasons and overrating their players coupled with devastating defensive injuries, (long term & career-ending) have really caught up. I believe that they simply do not have the personnel to adapt and survive in this league.

I have a feeling a deal with Tampa Bay is coming

Eric Brewer if a fair deal can worked out makes sense for both teams

Not sure what juggling they could do to fit the cap hit
- Marc D

Who are we trading Brewer for?

He would. The lure of a Myers or Bogosian is that they have higher ceilings than anyone on our current D. Quite often a guy who struggled with his first team experiences sort of a re-birth in a new situation. It doesn't always happen-Luke Schenn is still the inconsistent guy he was in Toronto-but the potential of guys like Myers or Bogosian is enticing.
- Jsaquella

I agree but we've been talking about this potential for the past 4 years now. Bogosian is 24 and has played 355 NHL games and Myers is the same age and has played 320. Luke Schenn has played 310. Not only have these players not improved, you could make an argument that they've gotten worse. At what point do we say they're busts?

People oft cite Pronger of having a rebirth of sorts after being highly toted but he played less than half the amount of games that this other guys played when he was traded to the Blues from the Whalers.

Please tell me the four teams they're beating or taking to over time because You're typing optimistic but I'm reading drunk.
- mayorofangrytown

They've been finding juice for Pittsburgh for some time now. Probably win that one

When do you think we start selling for draft picks and prospects? Thanksgiving or do we wait to see who gets desperate at the deadline and maybe get stuck with some of these gems for another season?
- mayorofangrytown

If they are out of come deadline time, and that is looking like a strong possibility, they do have some pieces that should interest some playoff teams.

I could see a team like Dallas that could really use a big physical dman giving up a 2nd for Grossmann. I could also see a team looking for a dman who can work the pp giving up a mid round pick for Streit.

They have Ristolainen in the lineup. At least they have one player with upside.

And hell, apparently we're done plumbing the depths of the Islanders D, now we're stalking Sabres defensemen.
- mayorofangrytown

Sabres... they have Big Z, too. They're kind of a preview of what it's going to look like for the Flyers in a year or so when they start working their kids in.

Poor kids.

Oilers, Stars and 'Canes are probably the only other teams you could make a case for.

Please tell me the four teams they're beating or taking to over time because You're typing optimistic but I'm reading drunk.
- mayorofangrytown

Well they could maybe beat Detroit, some other team may take them lightly and get upset and hopefully either Mason or Emery could have one or 2 huge games where they steal em a point.

Let a man hope, would ya??

When do you think we start selling for draft picks and prospects? Thanksgiving or do we wait to see who gets desperate at the deadline and maybe get stuck with some of these gems for another season?
- mayorofangrytown

The problem is no one is lining up for the Flyers crap

You want to trade a vet with a big cap hit, get ready to take another one back in the deal, or throw in a second rounder

Not talking about Coburn but VLC, Umby , Grossnann, etc

Amac is untradeable with his deal too I'm guessing

They may be able to trade the Schenns but it would be selling low

Cap trouble, trading away too many picks over the past 5 seasons and overrating their players coupled with devastating defensive injuries, (long term & career-ending) have really caught up. I believe that they simply do not have the personnel to adapt and survive in this league.
- Pixote Andolini

Tanknation!!!

Please do not trade Wayne Simmonds, Claude Giroux, Jake Voracek, Pierre-Edouard Bellemare, Steve Mason, Brayden Coburn, Shayne Gostisbehere, Samuel Morin or Travis Sanheim.

Thanks

The problem is no one is lining up for the Flyers crap

You want to trade a vet with a big cap hit, get ready to take another one back in the deal, or throw in a second rounder

Not talking about Coburn but VLC, Umby , Grossnann, etc

Amac is untradeable with his deal too I'm guessing

They may be able to trade the Schenns but it would be selling low
- Marc D

I think they could maybe move MacDonald, believe it or not

Edmonton's is still pretty bad, believe it or not -- surprised me how soft they were. There is skill but no toughness; I have seen them twice now.

Of the handful of other teams I have seen so far, well, I will just say it: The Flyers' limitations are obvious.
- AllInForFlyers

Agreed, EDM is soft. But I'll take their speedy skill over the Flyers slow grit any day of the week.

You repeating how much he makes is a waste of time, I haven't forgot. I just think you have tunnel vision for 1 player in a game by game basis.
- SuperSchennBros

Nope. It's not tunnel vision. It's a guy making significant money who shouldn't need a partner to carry him. He's a 7 year vet who should be able to provide solid, reliable play no matter who his partner is.

The reason I mention the money is because it's kind of foolish to pay $20 for something you can buy for $5.

It extends past Schenn, too. Streit can be good, but he's limited defensively. Grossmann is a slow guy who has lost a step an struggles to keep up at times. Del Zotto is poor defensively. Schultz was signed to be the 7th guy and he's been solid. MacDonald has played well, but he's not exactly a top pair guy.

If Schenn is going to take a step forward, it'd be great if he did it now.

Who are we trading Brewer for?
- Feanor

Pretty sure we having nothing TB needs
Therein lies the problem

He's not playing down there though and there have been rumors he is on the blocks

Sabres... they have Big Z, too. They're kind of a preview of what it's going to look like for the Flyers in a year or so when they start working their kids in.

Poor kids.

Oilers, Stars and 'Canes are probably the only other teams you could make a case for.
- Tomahawk

I think the kids will do fine. There will be growing pains but right now I'd feel better tuning in with them in the lineup. At least I feel like we'd have a chance.

Name one team that has a worse defensive group than the Flyers?

The only one, perhaps, is this year's doormat - the Buffalo Sabres.
- bradleyc4

When the Flyers are healthy, I'd put them up against Buffalo, Calgary, and Carolina.

The problem is no one is lining up for the Flyers crap

You want to trade a vet with a big cap hit, get ready to take another one back in the deal, or throw in a second rounder

Not talking about Coburn but VLC, Umby , Grossnann, etc

Amac is untradeable with his deal too I'm guessing

They may be able to trade the Schenns but it would be selling low
- Marc D

The only thing that makes MacDonald's deal untradeable is the length but maybe someone will bite figuring in a couple years he's trade bait again.

If you have to add picks into a deal forget it.