at least Coburn is now day to day.

at least Coburn is now day to day.
- wilsonecho91

he's been day to day his whole career with mental issues

I think Schenn has said all the right things. I'm hoping it's simply cluelessness and not petulance.
- johndewar

Yeah he doesn't seem like he's totally against playing LW at least from his interviews and such. Usually you can tell at least a little that a guy is peeved.

Exactly -- he looks like Gratton out there. Gratton looked baffled on the wing, like he could just never figure out where to go or what to do, and it always looked like he thought because he couldn't, they should just put him back,at center.

I think Schenn is the same player.

Brind'Amour, as JSaq noted, could play wing quite well, and simply preferred not to. Schenn doesn't have the hockey sense or drive that Brind'Amour did, tbh
- AllInForFlyers

It could just be a chemistry issue, as well.

10/28/93 didn't exactly get much time to get used to each other... and Chief bailed almost immediately and put Schenn w/ Vinny again.

Schenn has played well in spurts on the wing before (think PIT series way back when)... and he is coming off a decent preseason... and I've never heard of him having a bad attitude or unwillingness to adapt (he's never said anything to tune of "I can't play left", for example).

I think Chief is just failing to be imaginative in his line combos and playing things way too conservatively overall. He's coaching like a guy who's scared to lose his dream job.

idt there is just one or 2 guys out there that puts us as a contender, as a fan im willing to suffer (because we already are) thru 2 bad years if hexxy pulls a hinkie.

besides mason and simmonds i would gut it, get as many picks as i can and some cheap short contracts and go after macdavid and eichel

add that to our current youth movement and we would be solid for years.

he's been day to day his whole career with mental issues
- 2Real

perhaps. but he's better than anyone else they're dressing right now except arguably the swiss guy

idt there is just one or 2 guys out there that puts us as a contender, as a fan im willing to suffer (because we already are) thru 2 bad years if hexxy pulls a hinkie.

besides mason and simmonds i would gut it, get as many picks as i can and some cheap short contracts and go after macdavid and eichel

add that to our current youth movement and we would be solid for years.
- mydoglicks

hockey isn't like the NBA when it comes to that stuff in my opinion. I'm not trading Couturier either.

They flat out quit playing in the 3rd against Montreal and thats just unacceptable.

What's concerning to me, is that under both Lavy and now Berube, this team seems to very rarely put in a 6o minute effort. That tells me it's not the coach, it's the players.

It may be time to seriously question the leadership group of this team. I need to ask the following questions:

1. Is Claude Giroux a real leader?

2. If the answer to the above is no, is it time to seriously think about trading the captain?

3. Did moving Scott Hartnell hurt the chemistry of this team?

4. Is it time for the coach to take a more radical stand against the players who are playing poorly?

IMO, the answers are as follows:

1. Apparently not. This team has not played well on a consistent basis and has rarely given a 60 minute effort under his captaincy. That is very worrisome. While there is no doubt that he is a fantastic player, maybe he is just not cut out for a leadership role. Yes, his opening shift against the Pens in 2012 was amazing, but that was a long time ago. Since then there have been 2 questionable off ice incidents and he certainly has not done anything special 3 games into this season.

2. Maybe. We all know Lavy loves Giroux. Would they move Weber for him? I don't know, but I would really consider it. Weber is a proven leader and a Norris level dman who is only a couple of years older than Giroux. Plus the Flyers track record at the draft table tells me they have a much better chance at drafting an impact center than they do a Norris trophy caliber defenseman.

3. Again maybe. He was a popular player in the locker room. Without being "in the room" on a regular basis, it's an impossible question to answer.

4. Yes. A little Mike Keenan wouldn't be a bad thing right now. Someone has a crappy/lazy shift, glue his ass to the bench for the rest of the period. Someone has back to back crappy games, sit him. It's time to start demanding more of the players.

Rant over.
- BiggE

Welcome to hockeybuzz hell.... I saved a seat for ya

went for a run...didwe get myers yet?

hockey isn't like the NBA when it comes to that stuff in my opinion. I'm not trading Couturier either.
- wilsonecho91

sure it is , the pens did it twice..what does cooter do that is so irreplacable?

he's been day to day his whole career with mental issues
- 2Real

sure it is , the pens did it twice..what does cooter do that is so irreplacable?
- mydoglicks

Pens did it more then twice. They picked in top for almost 5 years to get the guys they did.

sure it is , the pens did it twice..what does cooter do that is so irreplacable?
- mydoglicks

um, ELITE defensive center who has the potential to be a 60+pt guy, who hasnt been given a legitimate opportunity to do so yet.

Sorry if I offended you.

No, on 2nd thought, I'm not.
- BiggE

It could just be a chemistry issue, as well.

10/28/93 didn't exactly get much time to get used to each other... and Chief bailed almost immediately and put Schenn w/ Vinny again.

Schenn has played well in spurts on the wing before (think PIT series way back when)... and he is coming off a decent preseason... and I've never heard of him having a bad attitude or unwillingness to adapt (he's never said anything to tune of "I can't play left", for example).

I think Chief is just failing to be imaginative in his line combos and playing things way too conservatively overall. He's coaching like a guy who's scared to lose his dream job.
- Tomahawk

I don't think he has a bad attitude. I really don't. I think he thinks he is giving his all out there.

I always go back to something Doug Collins said about Michael Jordan, back when Collins was coaching the Chicgao Bulls. He tried to move Jordan over to point guard, and Jordan responded by reeling off numerous triple-doubles, and Collins thought Jordan could/would be the next Oscar Robertson.

But Jordan wanted to play shooting guard. He didn't want to be a point guard.

And Doug Collins got fired.

And Collins said something to the effect that that was the worst mistake he ever made, in not recognizing that what a player believes he is sometimes trumps what he actually is or probably should be.

I think Schenn believes he is a center, and it affects him mentally when he isn't.

Pens did it more then twice. They picked in top for almost 5 years to get the guys they did.
- J35Bacher

imo it was worth it, we have not had a true star since lindros and apparently macdavid and eichel are projected the best prospects since crosby

He looks more lost than intransigent out there.

(Plus, aren't those prairie boys renowned for their penchant to do whatever's asked of them? The Mike Richards types?)
- Tomahawk

Yeah that's fair. The "lack of effort" could well be that he's not sure where he's supposed to be or exactly what his role is

sure it is , the pens did it twice..what does cooter do that is so irreplacable?
- mydoglicks

Pens picked high for years. As for Cooter, his work speaks for itself.

um, ELITE defensive center who has the potential to be a 60+pt guy, who hasnt been given a legitimate opportunity to do so yet.
- tweaver3312

potentially, everyone has potential...not sure where elite comes from, but he has not even been better then jordan staal in his first 3 years, not sure if jordan is considered elite.

glad to be a part of "Lets Freak Out Over A Superficial Injury To a Prospect Whose 2 Years Away Day" here on HB
- Just5

If he's not a Flyer next season he'll probably never be more than a fringe NHLer

idt there is just one or 2 guys out there that puts us as a contender, as a fan im willing to suffer (because we already are) thru 2 bad years if hexxy pulls a hinkie.

besides mason and simmonds i would gut it, get as many picks as i can and some cheap short contracts and go after macdavid and eichel

add that to our current youth movement and we would be solid for years.
- mydoglicks

Giroux and Couturier and Vorachek... all gone?

I think Chief is just failing to be imaginative in his line combos and playing things way too conservatively overall. He's coaching like a guy who's scared to lose his dream job.
- Tomahawk

BSchenn-PEB-Simmonds shows some imagination. More than I expected, anyway.

He also keeps returning to last year's best line in terms of CF% - Raffl-Giroux-Voracek, or Girafflcek as I saw it called yesterday.

Pens picked high for years. As for Cooter, his work speaks for itself.
- wilsonecho91

he is a good young forward but not irreplacable, if he is traded in a package to bring us macdavid or eichel, i wouldnt blink

he is a good young forward but not irreplacable, if he is traded in a package to bring us macdavid or eichel, i wouldnt blink
- mydoglicks

No team is trading the #1 or #2 pick in 2014. Please, get the idea out of your heads.