Oddly, I think this is where a listless team needs a Laviolette or Hitchcock to come in and squeeze the best results out of what the roster has to offer. That said, replacing Berube now only helps this team down the road when they will have a better D corps and are ready to contend for a playoff spot. It doesn't really do anything for a team that just has to take its lumps this season & wait for bad contracts to expire.
- Flyskippy

Thats why I don't care about the team keeping Berube for now. When this team is ready to compete and It feels like Berube is holing them back, then I think it's time for a move.

Said AMAC's agent

- coffee junkie

Exactly my point 5.5 isnt poop for myers till 2018-2019 when you have amac making that much

I don't have a particular problem with the 5.5mil. It's the length of the contract that gives me pause.
- johndewar

The contract is OK for me.... the lack of hockey sense and wild inconsistency is what gets me. On a blueline already full of guys like Schenn, MDZ... I don't think they can afford to take on another "project".

LSchenn or Grossmann would have to go if Myers was acquired.

Would you trade those two for Myers straight up (no picks/prospects included)?
- coffee junkie

I might just because I'm sick to death of hearing about the Schenns at this point.

I have not watched nearly enough of Myers to be able to say if it's a good trade, though. And it's hard to go by his stats considering he plays 22+ minutes a night on the league's worst team.

Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers · 2m 2 minutes ago
Injury Updates: Lecavalier - out 2 weeks (lower-body) | Grossmann - stomach virus | Morin - out 4-5 weeks
- PLindbergh31

Thats good that it's only 4-5 weeks for Morin

id love to have myers @ 5.5....Seriously that could be a steal and give the flyers some breathing room. They need to get someone to fill that hole till the kids come up...Getting myers buys them a lot of time...personally both Schenns are expendible at this point...they have talent, but no hockey smarts..cant be a dumb player in today's league...

5.5 isnt poop in today's nhl
- PhillaBully

If they added Myers, next year they'd have Myers at $5.5m, Streit at $5.25m, AMac at $5m, Coburn at $4.5m, Schenn at $3.6m and Grossmann at $3.5m. That's $27.35 million tied up in a so-so blueline. Coburn, Grossmann and Schenn will all be UFAs after next season. I expect Coburn will get a raise and one of Grossmann and Schenn will be gone. I'd rather move away from vets with big contracts. Myers is signed through 2018-19 and AMac is signed through 2019-20.

Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers · 2m 2 minutes ago
Injury Updates: Lecavalier - out 2 weeks (lower-body) | Grossmann - stomach virus | Morin - out 4-5 weeks
- PLindbergh31

Really bad break (pun intended). I thought Vinny was playing well.

They flat out quit playing in the 3rd against Montreal and thats just unacceptable.

What's concerning to me, is that under both Lavy and now Berube, this team seems to very rarely put in a 6o minute effort. That tells me it's not the coach, it's the players.

It may be time to seriously question the leadership group of this team. I need to ask the following questions:

1. Is Claude Giroux a real leader?

2. If the answer to the above is no, is it time to seriously think about trading the captain?

3. Did moving Scott Hartnell hurt the chemistry of this team?

4. Is it time for the coach to take a more radical stand against the players who are playing poorly?

IMO, the answers are as follows:

1. Apparently not. This team has not played well on a consistent basis and has rarely given a 60 minute effort under his captaincy. That is very worrisome. While there is no doubt that he is a fantastic player, maybe he is just not cut out for a leadership role. Yes, his opening shift against the Pens in 2012 was amazing, but that was a long time ago. Since then there have been 2 questionable off ice incidents and he certainly has not done anything special 3 games into this season.

2. Maybe. We all know Lavy loves Giroux. Would they move Weber for him? I don't know, but I would really consider it. Weber is a proven leader and a Norris level dman who is only a couple of years older than Giroux. Plus the Flyers track record at the draft table tells me they have a much better chance at drafting an impact center than they do a Norris trophy caliber defenseman.

3. Again maybe. He was a popular player in the locker room. Without being "in the room" on a regular basis, it's an impossible question to answer.

4. Yes. A little Mike Keenan wouldn't be a bad thing right now. Someone has a crappy/lazy shift, glue his ass to the bench for the rest of the period. Someone has back to back crappy games, sit him. It's time to start demanding more of the players.

Rant over.
- BiggE

My answers:

1. I think Giroux is a capable leader. Look at what he did last year, and in previous seasons. There have been hiccups, but there's also a team that has been resilient and dug itself out of many holes(certainly some self inflicted). Remember, last season, when they were 30th in the NHL, Giroux is the one that said, "We're making the playoffs" and then carried the team there.

2. I wouldn't trade Giroux unless the return was astronomical. And it wouldn't be for a Shea Webber type vet. If I'm trading Giroux it's for stellar young talent and high picks. Trading Giroux is a rebuild, not a retool.

3. Very possibly. Hartnell was a popular guy. He was close friends with Giroux and most of the core guys and seems like a guy who could help keep things loose in the room and provide guidance to youngsters.

4. One of my biggest knocks on Berube is the different standards he holds guys to in terms of accountability. Unless it's a guy like Giroux or Voracek or Simmonds, a guy sheer irreplaceable ability and skill, there should be no free rides. If a vet like Grossmann or Umberger (just examples not finger pointing) struggle they should be benched/limited as quickly as a younger guy, like Schenn or Raffl.

A bit more yelling or whatever might be effective for a short bit, but the benefits of that generally have a short shelf life.

If they added Myers, next year they'd have Myers at $5.5m, Streit at $5.25m, AMac at $5m, Coburn at $4.5m, Schenn at $3.6m and Grossmann at $3.5m. That's $27.35 million tied up in a so-so blueline. Coburn, Grossmann and Schenn will all be UFAs after next season. I expect Coburn will get a raise and one of Grossmann and Schenn will be gone. I'd rather move away from vets with big contracts. Myers is signed through 2018-19 and AMac is signed through 2019-20.
- NickTheKid87

i would trade both schenns for myers +

If they added Myers, next year they'd have Myers at $5.5m, Streit at $5.25m, AMac at $5m, Coburn at $4.5m, Schenn at $3.6m and Grossmann at $3.5m. That's $27.35 million tied up in a so-so blueline. Coburn, Grossmann and Schenn will all be UFAs after next season. I expect Coburn will get a raise and one of Grossmann and Schenn will be gone. I'd rather move away from vets with big contracts. Myers is signed through 2018-19 and AMac is signed through 2019-20.
- NickTheKid87

They can't add Myers without losing LSchenn, Grossmann or I guess MacDonald.

Thats good that it's only 4-5 weeks for Morin
- PhillySportsGuy

Gordon in for VLC. Manning in for Grossmann....

I don't have a particular problem with the 5.5mil. It's the length of the contract that gives me pause.

The Flyers could stand pat and be Schenn-free after the '15-'16 season.

And while I'm not ready to dump Brayden Schenn just yet, I don't think you could take on Myers if you don't send Luke Schenn or Nick Grossmann back the other way.
- johndewar

I agree. The length is the main issue. It's not like a 2 year "show me" contract. It's a long term commitment to someone that is currently a shaky 2nd pairing defenseman. He has talent but will he ever achieve it? I don't think it's worth the risk to find out.

Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers · 2m 2 minutes ago
Injury Updates: Lecavalier - out 2 weeks (lower-body) | Grossmann - stomach virus | Morin - out 4-5 weeks
- PLindbergh31

Well, there you go, Brayden Schenn. Maybe you'll stop moping like your dog died.

As for Grossmann.....they pretty much have to call someone up now, I think.

1. Yes. The problems seem more to do with personnel in regards to defense an hockey IQ. I'm not sure leadership is really an issue. Before this season, the Flyers had Giroux, Lecavalier, Timonen and Streit on the team. All have been captains.

2. Don't trade Giroux.

3. It's too early to tell, IMO. It's only been 3 games.

4. Maybe. I've never been a fan of the "yell at them" style used by Torts and such since I feel that the team eventually tunes it out. Somethings gotta give though. They're making some of the same mistakes they made under Lavy. I would have preferred a whole new regime instead of promoting Berube from assistant coach. That way, it would be a completely fresh start.
- NickTheKid87

I've always actually been a fan of the "yell at them" rowdy and rough coaches... From both a player and viewers perspective. Shows me they care and if done right you have a ton of respect for them at the end of the day. Berube reminds me of a John Stevens 2.0. A timid turtle on the bench, and just road out a season under someone else's system. I'm probably one of the few people who would gladly welcome torts...

Thats why I don't care about the team keeping Berube for now. When this team is ready to compete and It feels like Berube is holing them back, then I think it's time for a move.
- PhillySportsGuy

Agreed. Sometimes it takes me time to build the clock when someone asks what time it is...

Is the staff missing that? Or are their solutions for it ineffective? Maybe it's just a bad mix of players. It seems like all the same problems since 2011-12 with only marginal improvement. Berube was on the staff the whole time FWIW
- NickTheKid87

I think a good part of this roster is transitional. in two or three years I think we'll see some significant change in terms of new names. Especially on defense

They can't add Myers without losing LSchenn, Grossmann or I guess MacDonald.
- Feanor

That would still tie up a lot of money on a average blueline. You have to expect Ghost, Morin and/or Hagg will be ready to step in next year too.

I didn't think you were one of those irrational, trade Giroux people. After what he did last season despite being hurt for the first month it's an indefensible position. He guaranteed a playoff spot and then scored 79 points in 68 games to make it happen. That's real leadership.

The Flyers were even worse last October with an out of shape Hartnell on the team so the idea that trading them hurt the team is also ludicrous.
- Feanor

Wow, so if I even consider trading Giroux, not advocate it, but consider it, I'm irrational. That's pretty insulting.

IMO, no one is untouchable. It all depends on the deal. Do I think they should trade Giroux, no, most likely not. That doesn't mean, however, I'm not going to listen if another team calls.

Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers · 2m 2 minutes ago
Injury Updates: Lecavalier - out 2 weeks (lower-body) | Grossmann - stomach virus | Morin - out 4-5 weeks
- PLindbergh31

(frank) that

Gordon in for VLC. Manning in for Grossmann....


- PLindbergh31

I keep pushing the button on my screen but it's not working. Is it broken?

Gordon in for VLC. Manning in for Grossmann....


- PLindbergh31

(frank) that more

Here is a hypothetical:

You have the option to trade giroux for this years #1 pick...Do you do it?

They flat out quit playing in the 3rd against Montreal and thats just unacceptable.

What's concerning to me, is that under both Lavy and now Berube, this team seems to very rarely put in a 6o minute effort. That tells me it's not the coach, it's the players.

It may be time to seriously question the leadership group of this team. I need to ask the following questions:

1. Is Claude Giroux a real leader?

2. If the answer to the above is no, is it time to seriously think about trading the captain?

3. Did moving Scott Hartnell hurt the chemistry of this team?

4. Is it time for the coach to take a more radical stand against the players who are playing poorly?

IMO, the answers are as follows:

1. Apparently not. This team has not played well on a consistent basis and has rarely given a 60 minute effort under his captaincy. That is very worrisome. While there is no doubt that he is a fantastic player, maybe he is just not cut out for a leadership role. Yes, his opening shift against the Pens in 2012 was amazing, but that was a long time ago. Since then there have been 2 questionable off ice incidents and he certainly has not done anything special 3 games into this season.

2. Maybe. We all know Lavy loves Giroux. Would they move Weber for him? I don't know, but I would really consider it. Weber is a proven leader and a Norris level dman who is only a couple of years older than Giroux. Plus the Flyers track record at the draft table tells me they have a much better chance at drafting an impact center than they do a Norris trophy caliber defenseman.

3. Again maybe. He was a popular player in the locker room. Without being "in the room" on a regular basis, it's an impossible question to answer.

4. Yes. A little Mike Keenan wouldn't be a bad thing right now. Someone has a crappy/lazy shift, glue his ass to the bench for the rest of the period. Someone has back to back crappy games, sit him. It's time to start demanding more of the players.

Rant over.
- BiggE

Good God. Never post again.

Well, there you go, Brayden Schenn. Maybe you'll stop moping like your dog died.

As for Grossmann.....they pretty much have to call someone up now, I think.
- johndewar

Perry and Getzlaf are licking their chops like a group of hyenas surrounding an injured wildebeest.

I think there are some serious questions to be asked regarding leadership of this team, particularly regarding consistency and the team game. I don't think it should follow that we may need to move on from Giroux. I have a hard time seeing us winning a trade where we send a 26 year old top scoring player the other way.

Winning cures everything, and the season is young.