how does a #4 dman on a borderline playoff team make them significantly better. he is a solid dman. thats it. no game changer. no we need him type of player. the definition of a complimentary piece. how many contending teams does he even play in the top 4? i dont know as just asking without really looking.

a team like where the flyers are currently i do not give out 6 year deals to guys like him. that is why it is a bad deal.

tell me why it is a good deal again? because you need vets like him and the market will only rise? you think he is this very good dman obviously.i do not.
- rinaldo

Obviously you don't think he's a very good Dman. I do. I think he is a solid #3 puck moving NHL defenseman. Who upgrades the Flyers mobility and puck skills.
Never claimed he was a game changer. And you don't need to be a game changer such as a Chris Pronger to make the team better.
A team doesn't stop trying to get better, and sign good players to long term deals because of where they are now. For that point to make sense, you'd have to believe that the Flyers are going to be where they are now, for longer then 6 years.

Dude, you'd have better luck convincing my 12-yo niece that Justin Bieber isn't dreamy.
- Tomahawk

he is dreamy though.

Dude, you'd have better luck convincing my 12-yo niece that Justin Bieber isn't dreamy.
- Tomahawk

Obviously you don't think he's a very good Dman. I do. I think he is a solid #3 puck moving NHL defenseman. Who upgrades the Flyers mobility and puck skills.
Never claimed he was a game changer. And you don't need to be a game changer such as a Chris Pronger to make the team better.
A team doesn't stop trying to get better, and sign good players to long term deals because of where they are now. For that point to make sense, you'd have to believe that the Flyers are going to be where they are now, for longer then 6 years.
- MJL

how many teams do you think he would be their #3 dman? bottom 10 maybe. maybe i will take a look if i wasnt so lazy. just in this conference carolina, florida and who else is he in the top 3?

yes he upgrades those ares. not saying he doesnt. he is solid. he doesnt stink. just not buying he makes this team signifcantly better

how many teams do you think he would be their #3 dman? bottom 10 maybe. maybe i will take a look if i wasnt so lazy. just in this conference carolina, florida and who else is he in the top 3?

yes he upgrades those ares. not saying he doesnt. he is solid. he doesnt stink. just not buying he makes this team signifcantly better
- rinaldo

That would simply be a matter of opinion. He's a very good defenseman. That's why the Flyers traded for him. And that's why they signed him to the deal they did. It's really as simple as that.

Sure, but that's not reality. And surely ramming a players head into the ice is different then a hit from behind or a board.
- MJL

Yeah its worse, its bad enough to make a split second bad decision and run a guy from behind but to repeatedly slam a guys head into the ice should be 20 games minimum

That would simply be a matter of opinion. He's a very good defenseman. That's why the Flyers traded for him. And that's why they signed him to the deal they did. It's really as simple as that.
- MJL

flyers also signed vinny to a long deal. so what is your point the flyers are right in their macdonald assessment?

well lets see your opinion of what teams in the conf he would be in the top 3.

very good defenseman then there must be a ton of very very good defenseman.

Interesting trade idea, along the lines of the earlier Ladd/Schenn trade idea.

http://www.orangeandblack...-small-trade-thought.aspx

Boils down to Bryaden Schenn & the 2015 3rd rounder acquired from San Jose for Tye McGinn to Boston for Loui Eriksson and the 2015 second rounder the Flyers traded to the Isles in the MacDonald trade.

Not sure I'd do this either. Main issue is that it eats up almost every penny of the Flyers LTIR exemption. The other issue is Eriksson's age (29) and that he's coming off an injury plagued, under productive season.

Interesting trade idea, along the lines of the earlier Ladd/Schenn trade idea.

http://www.orangeandblack...-small-trade-thought.aspx

Boils down to Bryaden Schenn & the 2015 3rd rounder acquired from San Jose for Tye McGinn to Boston for Loui Eriksson and the 2015 second rounder the Flyers traded to the Isles in the MacDonald trade.

Not sure I'd do this either. Main issue is that it eats up almost every penny of the Flyers LTIR exemption. The other issue is Eriksson's age (29) and that he's coming off an injury plagued, under productive season.
- Jsaquella

No thanks, the salary/cap hit of Eriksson is enough to pass

flyers also signed vinny to a long deal. so what is your point the flyers are right in their macdonald assessment?

well lets see your opinion of what teams in the conf he would be in the top 3.

very good defenseman then there must be a ton of very very good defenseman.
- rinaldo

It goes back to what I said earlier. Providing he continues to play well. That is the only factor that could make it a bad deal. If MacDonald does not play well. In the same token, that if Lecavalier does not bounce back this year, and plays well this year and in the future , then it would be a bad deal.

Feel free to provide your list of what teams he would be in the top 3 in. And I'll be glad to comment.

It goes back to what I said earlier. Providing he continues to play well. That is the only factor that could make it a bad deal. If MacDonald does not play well. In the same token, that if Lecavalier does not bounce back this year, and plays well, then it would be a bad deal.

Feel free to provide your list of what teams he would be in the top 3 in. And I'll be glad to comment.
- MJL

so you refuse to name the teams where he would be in the top 3 dman. good stuff.

Interesting trade idea, along the lines of the earlier Ladd/Schenn trade idea.

http://www.orangeandblack...-small-trade-thought.aspx

Boils down to Bryaden Schenn & the 2015 3rd rounder acquired from San Jose for Tye McGinn to Boston for Loui Eriksson and the 2015 second rounder the Flyers traded to the Isles in the MacDonald trade.

Not sure I'd do this either. Main issue is that it eats up almost every penny of the Flyers LTIR exemption. The other issue is Eriksson's age (29) and that he's coming off an injury plagued, under productive season.
- Jsaquella

The author is an idiot.

No thanks, the salary/cap hit of Eriksson is enough to pass
- ob18

That's a big factor as well. Almost $2mm more per season

so you refuse to name the teams where he would be in the top 3 dman. good stuff.
- rinaldo

No, that's your point, so you make it. I've made my points very clearly, and made a reasonable argument to refute your opinion that it's a bad deal.

Interesting trade idea, along the lines of the earlier Ladd/Schenn trade idea.

http://www.orangeandblack...-small-trade-thought.aspx

Boils down to Bryaden Schenn & the 2015 3rd rounder acquired from San Jose for Tye McGinn to Boston for Loui Eriksson and the 2015 second rounder the Flyers traded to the Isles in the MacDonald trade.

Not sure I'd do this either. Main issue is that it eats up almost every penny of the Flyers LTIR exemption. The other issue is Eriksson's age (29) and that he's coming off an injury plagued, under productive season.
- Jsaquella

Eriksson doesn't really help you in the future. I still think Schenn has potential to be a 50-60 point player and he's 23 instead of 29.

so you refuse to name the teams where he would be in the top 3 dman. good stuff.
- rinaldo

Kind of what he does. Offers opinions, offers more opinions to back those opinions up and then demands you provide facts to support your opinion. Easier to ignore than engage.

That's a big factor as well. Almost $2mm more per season
- Jsaquella

Right now they can try to ride it out or call it a loss now move him & bring up Laughton.

Eriksson doesn't really help you in the future. I still think Schenn has potential to be a 50-60 point player and he's 23 instead of 29.
- PhillySportsGuy

Agreed. Just an attempt to get off the MacDonald train.

Eriksson doesn't really help you in the future. I still think Schenn has potential to be a 50-60 point player and he's 23 instead of 29.
- PhillySportsGuy

Agree. No reason to bail on Schenn. Leave him at LW, and let him play. He'll come around.

Right now they can try to ride it out or call it a loss now move him & bring up Laughton.
- ob18

I don't think Schenn is necessarily a loss if he's moved, it depends on the return.

Moves like Ladd or Eriksson, would probably qualify as that, because they'd ultimately be short term fixes. But let's say they could swing a deal that was built around Schenn for a kid like Ryan Murphy. In a case like that you're moving youth for youth to shore up a weak spot from a strength.

Of course, I can't see the Canes trading Murphy for Schenn, even with their depleted center corps

Agree. No reason to bail on Schenn. Leave him at LW, and let him play. He'll come around.
- MJL

No thanks on the LW idea.

Agreed. Just an attempt to get off the MacDonald train.
- Jsaquella

I haven't been around all day. I'm kind of glad.

No, that's your point, so you make it. I've made my points very clearly, and made a reasonable argument to refute your opinion that it's a bad deal.
- MJL

carolina and buffalo are the only 2 teams he would be in the top 3. so now show me where i am wrong.

No thanks on the LW idea.
- PhillySportsGuy

That doesn't make sense with the current makeup of the team.

I don't think Schenn is necessarily a loss if he's moved, it depends on the return.

Moves like Ladd or Eriksson, would probably qualify as that, because they'd ultimately be short term fixes. But let's say they could swing a deal that was built around Schenn for a kid like Ryan Murphy. In a case like that you're moving youth for youth to shore up a weak spot from a strength.

Of course, I can't see the Canes trading Murphy for Schenn, even with their depleted center corps
- Jsaquella

I'm open to all ideas, just as long as it improves the club in some way.