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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 13 @ 8:23 PM ET
yeah noting concrete.

no he hasnt been injury prone the last few years. just last year. i dont care if he is in decline he is better today and tomorrow. i dont care that hamilton is young he is better today as well.

so who is he beating on nj and columbus to play in their top 3?

how about the isles? who does he bump out there?

- rinaldo


I disagree. MacDonald is equal too if not better then Seidenberg. And he is better then Hamilton is now. Put MacDonald on that Boston team playing with Chara and that forward support, and he'd be a defenseman Flyers fans would covet.

It's obvious who he is beating out on NJ and Columbus.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 13 @ 8:26 PM ET
With some juggling we might be able to make another RW work. We just really need to get away from thinking every center can transition to the wing.

I still think the Schenn's for Eberle makes a lot of sense both ways.

Simmonds G Jake
Read Coots Eberle
Umberger Vinny Raffl
Akeson Bellemare Rinaldo

You transition Simmonds to LW. I dont know how big of a deal that would be for him as he just parks it in front of the net anyway.

- hereticpride


I don't think the Oilers would do that. They need better two-way players. Schenn doesn't really fit that description. I think they'd much rather part with one of their young guys like Yak or RNH for Couts.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Oct 13 @ 8:26 PM ET
I disagree. MacDonald is equal too if not better then Seidenberg. And he is better then Hamilton is now. Put MacDonald on that Boston team playing with Chara and that forward support, and he'd be a defenseman Flyers fans would covet.

It's obvious who he is beating out on NJ and Columbus.

- MJL

no it is not obvious so please enlighten me with your opinion.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 13 @ 8:27 PM ET
Move Simmer to 1LW...
- Tomahawk


A possibility. I see this year as experimental anyway. It's like the freshman year at college.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 13 @ 8:27 PM ET
I don't think the Oilers would do that. They need better two-way players. Schenn doesn't really fit that description. I think they'd much rather part with one of their young guys like Yak or RNH for Couts.
- PhillySportsGuy


I don't see them trading RNH.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 13 @ 8:27 PM ET
no it is not obvious so please enlighten me with your opinion.
- rinaldo


Your turn to step to the plate.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 13 @ 8:28 PM ET
Move Simmer to 1LW...
- Tomahawk


yes, he does spend most of his time on the left side on pp's
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 13 @ 8:29 PM ET
I don't see them trading RNH.
- MJL


They might for Couts
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 13 @ 8:30 PM ET
They might for Couts
- PhillySportsGuy



They might, but I don't think so.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Oct 13 @ 8:31 PM ET
Your turn to step to the plate.
- MJL

try again. i clearly stated he doesnt crack their top 3 on both of their teams. you refuse to give your opinion who he he plays ahead of on both of those teams. you dont want to answer, enjoy your night then.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 13 @ 8:31 PM ET
yes, he does spend most of his time on the left side on pp's
- mydoglicks


Putting Simmonds, G and Jake on the same line really effects the depth of the team though. The top line would be beastly, but the rest of the lineup would struggle to produce points.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 13 @ 8:34 PM ET
Putting Simmonds, G and Jake on the same line really effects the depth of the team though. The top line would be beastly, but the rest of the lineup would struggle to produce points.
- PhillySportsGuy

I think you only move Simmonds up if you put a package together to get a real nice winger to carry the offensive load for line two.

That said Simmonds size and board play would be greatly welcomed on our top line. Puck control is always a little worrisome with him but I think that would make for a great first line.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 13 @ 8:34 PM ET
try again. i clearly stated he doesnt crack their top 3 on both of their teams. you refuse to give your opinion who he he plays ahead of on both of those teams. you dont want to answer, enjoy your night then.
- rinaldo


So then I'll state who I think MacDonald is as good as and where he can play, and then you state you think I'm wrong and blah, blah, blah>

You state that I refuse to give my opinion and I don't want to answer when I've made how many posts on the subject and what teams I think he can play in the top 3 for?


I think it's safe to say that we have a difference of opinion on MacDonald.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 13 @ 8:34 PM ET
Putting Simmonds, G and Jake on the same line really effects the depth of the team though. The top line would be beastly, but the rest of the lineup would struggle to produce points.
- PhillySportsGuy


I don't think you lose much of anything at all at ES... Simmer's not really a line-driver anyway. Allows Baby Schenn to shift over to the RW where he can have a better angle on net, and use that shot more from distance.

17/28/93
24/14/10
12/40/18
36/78/42

(Coots and Schenn had great chemistry in ADK)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 13 @ 8:36 PM ET
Putting Simmonds, G and Jake on the same line really effects the depth of the team though. The top line would be beastly, but the rest of the lineup would struggle to produce points.
- PhillySportsGuy


I agree. More important to have a balanced lineup. I'd rather leave Raffl on the first line then move Simmonds up there for that very reason.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 13 @ 8:41 PM ET
I've never been crazy about Myers. IMO our assets could be much better utilized.
- hereticpride


I've seen that guy look like a Norris Trophy candidate and the worst defenseman on the ice, in the same period, or the same game or the same week

He has immense talent, but holy cow, he'd drive a coaching staff crazy and, not to be harsh because I love this fanbase and I'm part of it, but a week of Tyler Myers As A Flyers Player just might break the internet
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 13 @ 8:43 PM ET
I think you only move Simmonds up if you put a package together to get a real nice winger to carry the offensive load for line two.

That said Simmonds size and board play would be greatly welcomed on our top line. Puck control is always a little worrisome with him but I think that would make for a great first line.

- hereticpride


I think his board play would work well with Giroux
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Oct 13 @ 8:43 PM ET
Putting Simmonds, G and Jake on the same line really effects the depth of the team though. The top line would be beastly, but the rest of the lineup would struggle to produce points.
- PhillySportsGuy



Completely agree. You have to have balance throughout all your lines. As you stated it puts a burden on the other lines, but more importantly I feel, it puts tremendous pressure on your first line to carry the load.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 13 @ 8:44 PM ET
I don't think you lose much of anything at all at ES... Simmer's not really a line-driver anyway. Allows Baby Schenn to shift over to the RW where he can have a better angle on net, and use that shot more from distance.

17/28/93
24/14/10
12/40/18
36/78/42

(Coots and Schenn had great chemistry in ADK)

- Tomahawk


Simmonds has been pretty good at even strength this year. This team just needs better players across the board.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 13 @ 8:46 PM ET
I agree. More important to have a balanced lineup. I'd rather leave Raffl on the first line then move Simmonds up there for that very reason.
- MJL

Thats why I'm all about a move to get a guy that can tear it up on Coots' wing on the 2nd line. It helps take the pressure off G and the top line but also solves your issue with lack of size/strong board play on the top line.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 13 @ 8:46 PM ET
It's part of the reason why I hated Streit and AMac signings... had a bunch of lefties in house already, go out and grab more lefties anyway.
- Tomahawk


Wait, what? Sanheim's a righty, isn't he?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 13 @ 8:48 PM ET
Wait, what? Sanheim's a righty, isn't he?
- AllInForFlyers

Luke Schenn shoots right... just sayin
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Oct 13 @ 8:49 PM ET
So what defensemen could you get for B Schenn straight up?
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 13 @ 8:50 PM ET
So what defensemen could you get for B Schenn straight up?
- Pelle31Forever


Luke Schenn.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 13 @ 8:50 PM ET
Wait, what? Sanheim's a righty, isn't he?
- AllInForFlyers


Lefty. The only righty in the system that could project to be more than a bottom-pair guy is Friedman.
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