I love the guy that keeps spelling Terry "Terri."

I'm sure, based on his comments, he's one of those that refuse to allow any type of city development "at his expense" as he puts it.
- HonkFortheGoose

It doesn't make any sense. The "tax breaks" that the Pegulas received are on the value of both the land and the building. Even after those, the amount of property taxes received by the city/county are still higher than if it was just the parking lot, which was publicly owned to begin with. In other words, we're comparing the discounted property taxes the Pegulas are paying to the $0 that were being paid with the land was publicly owned. It's no different than a store putting merchandise at a discount in order to sell it and move it out.

It's one thing to have reservations about the building. I am on the side that questions how much economic impact this place will really end up having, but building a structure that increases the value of the parcel of property is nothing to complain about, unless it trumped something even more valuable, which it does not.

It doesn't make any sense. The "tax breaks" that the Pegulas received are on the value of both the land and the building. Even after those, the amount of property taxes received by the city/county are still higher than if it was just the parking lot, which was publicly owned to begin with. In other words, we're comparing the discounted property taxes the Pegulas are paying to the $0 that were being paid with the land was publicly owned. It's no different than a store putting merchandise at a discount in order to sell it and move it out.

It's one thing to have reservations about the building. I am on the side that questions how much economic impact this place will really end up having, but building a structure that increases the value of the parcel of property is nothing to complain about, unless it trumped something even more valuable, which it does not.
- buffalofan19

Boy you sure are a smarty.

I love the guy that keeps spelling Terry "Terri."

I'm sure, based on his comments, he's one of those that refuse to allow any type of city development "at his expense" as he puts it.
- HonkFortheGoose

IMO he is of the same mold of person that complains when a company doesn't decide to build in Buffalo or a movie production like Draft Day changes it plan from Buffalo to Cleveland. The simple reason behind both examples are the tax breaks offered.

If you want businesses to come you have to give them some sort of offer that makes it worth their while.

Also these are the same people that complain about tearing down a crumbling 175 year old church because it hold such a historic meaning to the city.

People like that are what's holding the city back.

It doesn't make any sense. The "tax breaks" that the Pegulas received are on the value of both the land and the building. Even after those, the amount of property taxes received by the city/county are still higher than if it was just the parking lot, which was publicly owned to begin with. In other words, we're comparing the discounted property taxes the Pegulas are paying to the $0 that were being paid with the land was publicly owned. It's no different than a store putting merchandise at a discount in order to sell it and move it out.

It's one thing to have reservations about the building. I am on the side that questions how much economic impact this place will really end up having, but building a structure that increases the value of the parcel of property is nothing to complain about, unless it trumped something even more valuable, which it does not.
- buffalofan19

You definitely have a better understanding of it than I do. But in general, sometimes you have to give a little for the sake of forward progress and that guy didn't seem to feel that was appropriate.

I think in the short term, this building will definitely have an economic impact, but they need to make sure they continue to get granted the events that the USNTDP and NHL have given them because of it.

Being that there aren't any other complexes like this currently, I think they're fine for now. But eventuallyt other cities will build stuff like this to compete with it.

Boy you sure are a smarty.
- Der Kaiser

I love your comments . Straight forward and to the point.

I love your comments . Straight forward and to the point.


- Maximum Signal

I'm not smart enough to use big words.

EDIT: And most of the time, too deep into the Genny's.

It doesn't make any sense. The "tax breaks" that the Pegulas received are on the value of both the land and the building. Even after those, the amount of property taxes received by the city/county are still higher than if it was just the parking lot, which was publicly owned to begin with. In other words, we're comparing the discounted property taxes the Pegulas are paying to the $0 that were being paid with the land was publicly owned. It's no different than a store putting merchandise at a discount in order to sell it and move it out.

It's one thing to have reservations about the building. I am on the side that questions how much economic impact this place will really end up having, but building a structure that increases the value of the parcel of property is nothing to complain about, unless it trumped something even more valuable, which it does not.
- buffalofan19

They have no less than 20 tournaments alone in the next year which will bring in hundreds of players staying here , eating here. Spending money in our Retail outlets . Where you ever on a travel team as a kid ? The money spent in cities that were hosting the tournaments is nothing to sneeze at . Let alone all the activities going on there that will draw people from out of town .

On getting Myers: "I am just curious, Pulkinnen and Sproul, for example, wouldn't get it done?"

I'm not smart enough to use big words.

EDIT: And most of the time, too deep into the Genny's.
- Der Kaiser

You are a lot smarter and perceptive than you give yourself credit for ! Very street smart, don't have to wow us with use of 10 dollar words.

You are a lot smarter and perceptive than you give yourself credit for ! Very street smart, don't have to wow us with use of 10 dollar words.



- Maximum Signal

Aw, shucks.

Utterly unrelated: cats suck, but ukeleles suck more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fYuYPViw_c

Utterly unrelated: cats suck, but ukeleles suck more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fYuYPViw_c
- Der Kaiser

thank god for that cat

They have no less than 20 tournaments alone in the next year which will bring in hundreds of players staying here , eating here. Spending money in our Retail outlets . Where you ever on a travel team as a kid ? The money spent in cities that were hosting the tournaments is nothing to sneeze at . Let alone all the activities going on there that will draw people from out of town .



- Maximum Signal

To the average consumer, yes.

When it comes to making a dent on a city's bottom line, it really doesn't. If reports are coming out that the impact of a professional sports team is overstated, then a bunch of amateur tournaments won't have that effect either.

Like I said, it's a gorgeous building, and I'm glad it's here. I just don't have any high hopes about it being some sort of economic launch pad.

Utterly unrelated: cats suck, but ukeleles suck more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fYuYPViw_c
- Der Kaiser

Priceless !

To the average consumer, yes.

When it comes to making a dent on a city's bottom line, it really doesn't. If reports are coming out that the impact of a professional sports team is overstated, then a bunch of amateur tournaments won't have that effect either.

Like I said, it's a gorgeous building, and I'm glad it's here. I just don't have any high hopes about it being some sort of economic launch pad.
- buffalofan19

When it comes to travel for a professional sports team though, people come into the city for a day, go to the event, and leave. The teams are even more locked down as they have curfews and really only come into town just long enough to play the game and leave again.

I would think that tournaments would actually make a bit more, since they're usually a few days longer. Though I could be wrong. Just looking at it from the standpoint that people would be here for say 3-4 days instead of just 2.

EDIT: Not to mention that the "launch pad" aspect is that more businesses will develop in that area to service the people that are coming to said tournaments.

To the average consumer, yes.

When it comes to making a dent on a city's bottom line, it really doesn't. If reports are coming out that the impact of a professional sports team is overstated, then a bunch of amateur tournaments won't have that effect either.

Like I said, it's a gorgeous building, and I'm glad it's here. I just don't have any high hopes about it being some sort of economic launch pad.
- buffalofan19

The professional sports teams caters to locals . These will be teams from out of town . Staying in Hotels , eating at restaurants . Shopping at retail outlets . It will bring lots of folks to Buffalo that have not been here before . But don't worry inside every silver lining there is a dark cloud . You don't have high hopes for anything . So i am sure you are correct.

The professional sports teams caters to locals . These will be teams from out of town . Staying in Hotels , eating at restaurants . Shopping at retail outlets . It will bring lots of folks to Buffalo that have not been here before . But don't worry inside every silver lining there is a dark cloud . You don't have high hopes for anything . So i am sure you are correct.



- Maximum Signal

Source of some of the contractors in the area. there will be more than 50 hotels going up in the area in the next 5 years. Plans are already in the works.

I have this theory... Since no one's expecting anything out of the big club, why not send everyone like Girgensons, McCabe, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk, Reinhart down to Rochester and build a super team in the AHL. They'd clean up playing against meh competetion, and they'd learn to play (and win) together in a low-pressure environment.

Meanwhile the big club can proceed to get blown out every night and mail it in, just as Murray wants them to. Then next year, after you draft a stud in the top-3, you can recall all these kids after they've had a year of gelling with each other in Rochester and think about competing in the NHL again.

The professional sports teams caters to locals . These will be teams from out of town . Staying in Hotels , eating at restaurants . Shopping at retail outlets . It will bring lots of folks to Buffalo that have not been here before . But don't worry inside every silver lining there is a dark cloud . You don't have high hopes for anything . So i am sure you are correct.



- Maximum Signal

Those professional sports teams also gross way more than these tournaments do. It's not even close. There's a reason the World Juniors, for example, came in well below the estimates that they projected. Granted, not everything is, or even should, be done for the sake of an economic boon, but the money that comes from these kinds of sports, both directly and indirectly, isn't as much as people think.

You can keep misconstruing my argument all you want, and bringing up the tired old "silver lining dark cloud" cliche. I never said I wasn't glad the building was built. I just pointed out that there were still some valid reservations, but the one brought up by a Buffalo News commenter wasn't one of them.

I have this theory... Since no one's expecting anything out of the big club, why not send everyone like Girgensons, McCabe, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk, Reinhart down to Rochester and build a super team in the AHL. They'd clean up playing against meh competetion, and they'd learn to play (and win) together in a low-pressure environment.

Meanwhile the big club can proceed to get blown out every night and mail it in, just as Murray wants them to. Then next year, after you draft a stud in the top-3, you can recall all these kids after they've had a year of gelling with each other in Rochester and think about competing in the NHL again.
- TheJerseyDevil1

Well for starters Those two can't go to the AHL right now and Girgensons is probably one of our best players at the moment

I have this theory... Since no one's expecting anything out of the big club, why not send everyone like Girgensons, McCabe, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk, Reinhart down to Rochester and build a super team in the AHL. They'd clean up playing against meh competetion, and they'd learn to play (and win) together in a low-pressure environment.

Meanwhile the big club can proceed to get blown out every night and mail it in, just as Murray wants them to. Then next year, after you draft a stud in the top-3, you can recall all these kids after they've had a year of gelling with each other in Rochester and think about competing in the NHL again.
- TheJerseyDevil1

Reinhart and Zadorov can't go to the AHL, so there's that.

And you don't understand: "Teddy ain't gonna let them tank".

When it comes to travel for a professional sports team though, people come into the city for a day, go to the event, and leave. The teams are even more locked down as they have curfews and really only come into town just long enough to play the game and leave again.

I would think that tournaments would actually make a bit more, since they're usually a few days longer. Though I could be wrong. Just looking at it from the standpoint that people would be here for say 3-4 days instead of just 2.

EDIT: Not to mention that the "launch pad" aspect is that more businesses will develop in that area to service the people that are coming to said tournaments.
- HonkFortheGoose

I think of it as a big picture play - about making WNY a US hockey destination, and upping the relevance of the region and franchise for the NHL. It's no coincidence now that the combine and draft are here - and if this keeps taking off more NHL events should follow.

This isn't a big return on dollars thing to me, and that's ok. Though there appears to be some economic benefit as well.

I think of it as a big picture play - about making WNY a US hockey destination, and upping the relevance of the region and franchise for the NHL. It's no coincidence now that the combine and draft are here - and if this keeps taking off more NHL events should follow.

This isn't a big return on dollars thing to me, and that's ok. Though there appears to be some economic benefit as well.
- nfph

That's exactly where I'm at.

They built this facility to land events like that. And they're succeeding.

However, I do know people that think this will be a "return on dollars" thing. And that's what I was responding to.

That's exactly where I'm at.

They built this facility to land events like that. And they're succeeding.

However, I do know people that think this will be a "return on dollars" thing. And that's what I was responding to.
- buffalofan19

They should go work for the hotel then.

Those professional sports teams also gross way more than these tournaments do. It's not even close. There's a reason the World Juniors, for example, came in well below the estimates that they projected. Granted, not everything is, or even should, be done for the sake of an economic boon, but the money that comes from these kinds of sports, both directly and indirectly, isn't as much as people think.

You can keep misconstruing my argument all you want, and bringing up the tired old "silver lining dark cloud" cliche. I never said I wasn't glad the building was built. I just pointed out that there were still some valid reservations, but the one brought up by a Buffalo News commenter wasn't one of them.
- buffalofan19

It is drawing people to Buffalo that have never been here before . Families . Did you not see Cabins comment - more hotels are being built Lots of them that will keep our local tradesmen busy . Did you see how the increased revenue from sales tax is keeping our property taxes down ? That is because of all of the cross border shopping I will ask you again. Where you ever on a travel team or all star team as a kid ? Because I was I went to a lot of neat places . Places my family actually returned to . When I came home raving about them . It is improving the image of our fair city that people love to dump on.
Sure it is not going to turn our entire economy around . But it is a starting point . Look on the bright side for once .