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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 15 @ 10:46 AM ET
Would you make any of these trades?
- J35Bacher


B.Schenn for Yakupov

B.Schenn for Grigorenko

B.Schenn for Sven Baertschi

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B.Schenn for M.Domi

B.Schenn for Jake Virtanen
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 10:47 AM ET
Not even for an entire game. He's been playing with Couts and Read the last 2 games. It says a lot about how the coaches feel if they need to move him off of the checking line when they have a defensive zone face-off.
- PhillySportsGuy


He was with Vinny for most of the first two games. Berube scrambled the lines when they went down against NJ.

And who has Berube been replacing him with on the checking line for defensive zone draws?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 15 @ 10:47 AM ET
I don't even have time to mess with this today. The Flyers have problems, and Giroux isn't great every night, because he is human.

But just like people.are.seeing that it is almost impossible for the Flyers to not allow at least three goals with Braydon Coburn out of the lineup, one day Giroux is gonna get hurt. Because players get hurt.

Then those people are gonna understand the phrase "up poop creek without a paddle," because that is where they will be.

- AllInForFlyers


May as well happen now, would seriously improve our odds of picking in the top 3 this year.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 15 @ 10:47 AM ET
Would you make any of these trades?


B.Schenn for Yakupov

B.Schenn for Grigorenko

B.Schenn for M.Domi

B.Schenn for Jake Virtanen

B.Schenn for Sven Baertschi


My thinking is that this team is not a cup contender. So i would try to start arranging the pieces to fit better. Move Schenn for a natural winger. Hopefully Vinny comes back and plays well enough that he can be moved at the TDL. Then the pieces can fit better. I can get wingers to build around couturier and giroux and lt luaghton be the shutdown center so couturier isn't facing so many dz starts.

- J35Bacher


No
No
Yes
Yes
No
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 15 @ 10:47 AM ET
I don't think the conversation was that G sucks or anything like that. Have to re-read maybe.

But I do think his standing among Flyers fans is probably higher than how he is valued by the rest of the league. And by that I mean, players, GM's and other media pundits.

Consider recent polls on who would you build a team around. Consider who got picked for the Olympics. Etc.

He is my favorite player. I only suggested considering to trade him for the next wave of young superstar because of fears that by the time the defense finally gets fixed he will be on the wrong side of 30. I think that's legitimate.

- TheGreat28


Who gives a poop what GMs who sign David Clarkson to seven-year deals and Dave Bolland to five-year deals think? Who gives a (frank) what writers who voted Alex.Ovechkin TWICE onto the same All-League team think?

Claude Giroux plays every game in front of this fan base. Every game. And that guy does little more.than do.poop that helps.them.win hockey games.

Open your eyes, man. Watch games in other markets. I don't need Craig MacTavish''s opinion on what Claude Giroux is she I watch the guy play 80.(frank)ing times a year!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 15 @ 10:48 AM ET
Last game OZS%:

Coots 11.1%
Read 14.3%
Umberger 25%

- Tomahawk


It's amazing that Couts has a 4.74 rel Corsi despite all of this.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 15 @ 10:49 AM ET
Who gives a poop what GMs who sign David Clarkson to seven-year deals and Dave Bolland to five-year deals think? Who gives a (frank) what writers who voted Alex.Ovechkin TWICE onto the same All-League team think?

Claude Giroux plays every game in front of this fan base. Every game. And that guy does little more.than do.poop that helps.them.win hockey games.

Open your eyes, man. Watch games in other markets. I don't need Craig MacTavish''s opinion on what Claude Giroux is she I watch the guy play 80.(frank)ing times a year!

- AllInForFlyers

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 15 @ 10:50 AM ET
He was with Vinny for most of the first two games. Berube scrambled the lines when they went down against NJ.

And who has Berube been replacing him with on the checking line for defensive zone draws?

- Feanor


He'll put G or Bellmare on the ice for the face-off then get a switch when they move up ice.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 15 @ 10:51 AM ET
It's amazing that Couts has a 4.74 rel Corsi despite all of this.
- PhillySportsGuy


Expect Child and Family Services to step in at some point.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 15 @ 10:51 AM ET

- jmatchett383[/img]

still needs viking horns imo
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 15 @ 10:51 AM ET
Would you make any of these trades?


B.Schenn for Yakupov

B.Schenn for Grigorenko

B.Schenn for M.Domi

B.Schenn for Jake Virtanen

B.Schenn for Sven Baertschi


My thinking is that this team is not a cup contender. So i would try to start arranging the pieces to fit better. Move Schenn for a natural winger. Hopefully Vinny comes back and plays well enough that he can be moved at the TDL. Then the pieces can fit better. I can get wingers to build around couturier and giroux and lt luaghton be the shutdown center so couturier isn't facing so many dz starts.

- J35Bacher


If we trade him for Domi's kid, we have to draft Kaberle's kid to protect him from Luke Richardson's kid.

Seriously, I'd do the last 2.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 15 @ 10:54 AM ET
Expect Child and Family Services to step in at some point.
- Tomahawk

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 15 @ 10:54 AM ET
Does he weigh as much as a duck?
- BiggE


So therefore?.......
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 10:55 AM ET
If we trade him for Domi's kid, we have to draft Kaberle's kid to protect him from Luke Richardson's kid.

Seriously, I'd do the last 2.

- jmatchett383


I think Baertschi is edging towards being a bust. BSchenn had a 41 point season as a 22 year old. Sven is in the AHL despite Calgary's lack of talent.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Oct 15 @ 10:55 AM ET
If we trade him for Domi's kid, we have to draft Kaberle's kid to protect him from Luke Richardson's kid.

Seriously, I'd do the last 2.

- jmatchett383


haha

I was just thinking last night that I know it is early but I would rather move earlier then later. A guy like Vinny you might have to wait until the TDL because of trying to build value. But I woul rar start working on getting the puzzle pieces and building the puzzle then playing wih a team that is flawed and mix match
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 15 @ 10:57 AM ET
I think Baertschi is edging towards being a bust.
- Feanor


He needs to get out of that system, asap.

(but I don't want the Flyers to be the landing spot)
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 15 @ 10:58 AM ET
So therefore?.......
- MBFlyerfan


What else floats?

Very small rocks???
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 15 @ 10:58 AM ET
I had totally forgotten about this until recently:



Also, the poster and some of the comments are really horrible. I hate the internet.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 15 @ 10:58 AM ET
What else floats?

Very small rocks???

- BiggE


Build a bridge out of him!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 15 @ 10:59 AM ET
Build a bridge out of him!
- jmatchett383

NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 15 @ 11:02 AM ET
Again, I'm not so sure they end up with G-Couts-Laughton. I think Laughton get's traded eventually. Long term I think either Schenn blossoms as 2nd line guy or they bring in someone.

But listen to Berube. He doesn't say Couts and 2nd line. We all do.

- TheGreat28


That doesn't mean Couturier shouldn't be given a chance to produce. He put up 39 points last year in a predominantly defensive role.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 15 @ 11:04 AM ET
What else floats?

Very small rocks???

- BiggE

churches!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 15 @ 11:04 AM ET
Build a bridge out of him!
- jmatchett383



Ahh, but can you not also build bridges out of STOOOWN?!
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Oct 15 @ 11:06 AM ET
Where do we go for advanced stats now?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 15 @ 11:06 AM ET
What else floats?

Very small rocks???

- BiggE

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CIDER!

GRAVY!
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