With so much drama on the boards these past days, I do think this team had the chance to have 8 of 8 points so far. They have been in every game going in to the third...some poor play defensively and the poor shootout performance has given us 2 of 8..that being said, we are only 2 points of of the wildcard spot (if we are going to talk of the draft, might as well look at the playoff picture)

I think the team will get the D figured out with some practice this week and I bet we will be right back in the thick of things in two weeks...our D is not 1/2's up and down the ranks, but I think if the forwards play a better D game the team play will improve.

Would you make any of these trades?


B.Schenn for Yakupov

B.Schenn for Grigorenko

B.Schenn for M.Domi

B.Schenn for Jake Virtanen

B.Schenn for Sven Baertschi


My thinking is that this team is not a cup contender. So i would try to start arranging the pieces to fit better. Move Schenn for a natural winger. Hopefully Vinny comes back and plays well enough that he can be moved at the TDL. Then the pieces can fit better. I can get wingers to build around couturier and giroux and lt luaghton be the shutdown center so couturier isn't facing so many dz starts.
- J35Bacher

I still think Yakupov will become a 30 goal scorer at some point but defensively I'm not sure he'll ever be better than below average. Domi and Virtanen interest me. Grigorenko too maybe. Baertschi hasn't even been that good in the AHL.

Some thoughts...

The supporting cast needs to play better. Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds (beast), Streit, and Mason have been good... Also Emery played well in his one game. The rest have been so so. Its gonna be a long year.

Love watching Voracek w/ his back to a defender protecting the puck. Defenders have such a hard time getting it from him. I hope to see a lot more goals like the beauty he had last night.

I think Simmonds is gonna score 35 this year and judging by what Bobby Ryan just signed for, Simmonds at $3.9 mil is a steal. He brings so much more to the table than B. Ry.

Anyone else think Brayden Schenn should be moved? I feel like this kid will never live up to the hype. We desperately need someone who can play wing, and Schenn isn't it. Like Hartsy, if Schenn isn't contributing offensively, he isn't contributing at all. At least w/Couturier while he's not scoring he's playing at an elite level in his own end.

I knew their defense was bad, but I didn't know they were this bad. They are constantly getting caught out of position and cannot recover for the life of them.

With so much drama on the boards these past days, I do think this team had the chance to have 8 of 8 points so far. They have been in every game going in to the third...some poor play defensively and the poor shootout performance has given us 2 of 8..that being said, we are only 2 points of of the wildcard spot (if we are going to talk of the draft, might as well look at the playoff picture)

I think the team will get the D figured out with some practice this week and I bet we will be right back in the thick of things in two weeks...our D is not 1/2's up and down the ranks, but I think if the forwards play a better D game the team play will improve.
- JW98FlyerFan

So far this season doesn't have the feel of last years start. Those first 8 games or so last year, I felt that this team was just lost. I don't feel that this year. It will come together.

Some people are always going to be negative for the sake of being negative, and dramatic for the sake of being dramatic.

Who gives a poop what GMs who sign David Clarkson to seven-year deals and Dave Bolland to five-year deals think? Who gives a (frank) what writers who voted Alex.Ovechkin TWICE onto the same All-League team think?

Claude Giroux plays every game in front of this fan base. Every game. And that guy does little more.than do.poop that helps.them.win hockey games.

Open your eyes, man. Watch games in other markets. I don't need Craig MacTavish''s opinion on what Claude Giroux is she I watch the guy play 80.(frank)ing times a year!
- AllInForFlyers

Only half, actually.

That is so (frank)ing clueless, words can't even cover it. It really is. But if that is where you are, go for it. Because everyone is entitled to an opinion.
- AllInForFlyers

Here is a comparison for you. Here are two players and there rank in the league in overall scoring for their age 22-26 seasons.

Claude Giroux: 13th, 3rd, 14th, 3rd,
Player X: 4th, 12th, 10th, 5th.

Not a whole ton of difference. That player is Mark Recchi.

I never said Giroux wasn't a great player, it was a a talent debate between those at the top and the rest. Also said he escapes all blame in this town compared to Lindros and is treated as a generational type player by most flyers fans. He isn't generational. He's Mark Recchi.

Might be Leight or Laught, but Elliotte Friedman hinted that the Flyers may have suspected a down year.

In his 30 thoughts column, two interesting items appeared.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ong-reason/?__federated=1

Item ten is, that Hextall sought cap relief from Pronger, rather than having to use LTIR. He even tried to trade Pronger this summer.

Item 11 is a rumor that Hextall wanted some sort of lottery protection when he was trying to trade up for the 2014 1st overall pick. Basically, part of the demanded return would have been the Flyers 2015 1st rounder, and Hextall was seriously concerned it'd be a high pick.

With so much drama on the boards these past days, I do think this team had the chance to have 8 of 8 points so far. They have been in every game going in to the third...some poor play defensively and the poor shootout performance has given us 2 of 8..that being said, we are only 2 points of of the wildcard spot (if we are going to talk of the draft, might as well look at the playoff picture)

I think the team will get the D figured out with some practice this week and I bet we will be right back in the thick of things in two weeks...our D is not 1/2's up and down the ranks, but I think if the forwards play a better D game the team play will improve.
- JW98FlyerFan

It's kinda hard being Snoop D O double G.

So far this season doesn't have the feel of last years start. Those first 8 games or so last year, I felt that this team was just lost. I don't feel that this year. It will come together.

Some people are always going to be negative for the sake of being negative, and dramatic for the sake of being dramatic.
- MBFlyerfan

They are far more competitive in this years first few games than last year. Last year they were road kill.

I'm not sold they will be a playoff team, but they're moving in the right direction

this is a glaring weekness
detailed chart included
http://www.broadstreethoc...flyers-shootout-stats-bad

Here is a comparison for you. Here are two players and there rank in the league in overall scoring for their age 22-26 seasons.

Claude Giroux: 13th, 3rd, 14th, 3rd,
Player X: 4th, 12th, 10th, 5th.

Not a whole ton of difference. That player is Mark Recchi.

I never said Giroux wasn't a great player, it was a a talent debate between those at the top and the rest. Also said he escapes all blame in this town compared to Lindros and is treated as a generational type player by most flyers fans. He isn't generational. He's Mark Recchi.
- psuhockey

Fraude Giroux escapes blame?

Where do we go for advanced stats now?
- eayost

War on Ice

War on Ice
- Tomahawk

Thank you good sir

Might be Leight or Laught, but Elliotte Friedman hinted that the Flyers may have suspected a down year.

In his 30 thoughts column, two interesting items appeared.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ong-reason/?__federated=1

Item ten is, that Hextall sought cap relief from Pronger, rather than having to use LTIR. He even tried to trade Pronger this summer.

Item 11 is a rumor that Hextall wanted some sort of lottery protection when he was trying to trade up for the 2014 1st overall pick. Basically, part of the demanded return would have been the Flyers 2015 1st rounder, and Hextall was seriously concerned it'd be a high pick.
- Jsaquella

nice read

Can you imagine how much that would have set the franchise back? All three of those players are better than Ryan and younger
- PhillySportsGuy

Yea i think its why one of them has held true to his word when no anaheim forwards were traded for at the deadline and quit posting here, under that screen name anyway

Here is a comparison for you. Here are two players and there rank in the league in overall scoring for their age 22-26 seasons.

Claude Giroux: 13th, 3rd, 14th, 3rd,
Player X: 4th, 12th, 10th, 5th.

Not a whole ton of difference. That player is Mark Recchi.

I never said Giroux wasn't a great player, it was a a talent debate between those at the top and the rest. Also said he escapes all blame in this town compared to Lindros and is treated as a generational type player by most flyers fans. He isn't generational. He's Mark Recchi.
- psuhockey

Where are people saying he is a generational player?

SO what YOU ARE saying is that Giroux is a sure fire HOF player who will finish in the top 12 all time in scoring. I can live with that.

Here is a comparison for you. Here are two players and there rank in the league in overall scoring for their age 22-26 seasons.

Claude Giroux: 13th, 3rd, 14th, 3rd,
Player X: 4th, 12th, 10th, 5th.

Not a whole ton of difference. That player is Mark Recchi.

I never said Giroux wasn't a great player, it was a a talent debate between those at the top and the rest. Also said he escapes all blame in this town compared to Lindros and is treated as a generational type player by most flyers fans. He isn't generational. He's Mark Recchi.
- psuhockey

We are going to have to agree to disagree. Whether you call me Sweet Cheeks or not is entirely up to you, based on my withdrawal.

Here is a comparison for you. Here are two players and there rank in the league in overall scoring for their age 22-26 seasons.

Claude Giroux: 13th, 3rd, 14th, 3rd,
Player X: 4th, 12th, 10th, 5th.

Not a whole ton of difference. That player is Mark Recchi.

I never said Giroux wasn't a great player, it was a a talent debate between those at the top and the rest. Also said he escapes all blame in this town compared to Lindros and is treated as a generational type player by most flyers fans. He isn't generational. He's Mark Recchi.
- psuhockey

Yeah, nobody calls for him to be traded, nobody calls for him to lose his captaincy

It's kinda hard being Snoop D O double G.
- jmatchett383

I guess the "blow it up" theme has gotten old after only 4 games. This team is in a better spot than they were in last year this time, so I think the parts are there to compete every night...a few practice days will help...

Can someone explain what this term generational player means?

Might be Leight or Laught, but Elliotte Friedman hinted that the Flyers may have suspected a down year.

In his 30 thoughts column, two interesting items appeared.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ong-reason/?__federated=1

Item ten is, that Hextall sought cap relief from Pronger, rather than having to use LTIR. He even tried to trade Pronger this summer.

Item 11 is a rumor that Hextall wanted some sort of lottery protection when he was trying to trade up for the 2014 1st overall pick. Basically, part of the demanded return would have been the Flyers 2015 1st rounder, and Hextall was seriously concerned it'd be a high pick.
- Jsaquella

I think he knows the margin for this team is razor thin. They are a Giroux or Mason injury away from lottery territory.

With that said.....I see the "lottery protection" item as more smart negotiation than portend of a bad season.

The Pronger item just makes me want to break stuff. It's myopic and dense on the part of the NHL to not have something in place for this sort of situation.

Where are people saying he is a generational player?

SO what YOU ARE saying is that Giroux is a sure fire HOF player who will finish in the top 12 all time in scoring. I can live with that.
- MBFlyerfan

The original comment was that the Flyers in a few years would be past by buffalo because they would be picking the generational talent at the top of the draft while the Flyers would be picking in the teens. Someone responded with Mike Richards and Claude Giroux thus intimating they were generational talent.

I guess the "blow it up" theme has gotten old after only 4 games. This team is in a better spot than they were in last year this time, so I think the parts are there to compete every night...a few practice days will help...
- JW98FlyerFan

Nobody wants to blow it up, just tweaked

Here is a comparison for you. Here are two players and there rank in the league in overall scoring for their age 22-26 seasons.

Claude Giroux: 13th, 3rd, 14th, 3rd,
Player X: 4th, 12th, 10th, 5th.

Not a whole ton of difference. That player is Mark Recchi.

I never said Giroux wasn't a great player, it was a a talent debate between those at the top and the rest. Also said he escapes all blame in this town compared to Lindros and is treated as a generational type player by most flyers fans. He isn't generational. He's Mark Recchi.
- psuhockey

I don't think using where a player finished in overall scoring in certain seasons is grounds for comparison. Recchi was a great player but he was never considered one of the top 10 forwards in the game, like Giroux is (and not just by Flyers fans). Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Jaromir Jagr, Steve Yzerman, Sergei Fedorov, Adam Oates, Peter Forsberg, Brett Hull, Pavel Bure, Ron Francis, etc. were all better than Recchi.

Can someone explain what this term generational player means?
- JoeRussomanno

I would define it as a "best or one of the best players in his age group" type of guy.