I'll give you Bure, but I'm gonna disagree with you completely on Federov.

That dude won Selke trophies and was a better than a PPG player. He could play any role on the ice asked of him....scorer, shutdown forward, you name it.
- johndewar

Thank you for refreshing my memory.

well if anyone was wondering


- mydoglicks

(e4)

I think there can be more than 1.

50 - Richard/Howe
60s/70s - Orr, Esposito
80s/90s - Gretzky/Lemieux
00s-10s - Crosby
- jmatchett383

Richard was not a generational talent. Not even close.

The mystique that has built up around the guy is bizarre.

He was a god in Quebec for social/political reasons.

But he simply doesn't deserve the idol worship elsewhere.

His 50 in 50 came during WWII - the rosters were incredibly depleted (both in terms of talent and actual numbers).

He would have only won the Richard trophy 4 times (that's off the top of my head - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

1 Hart Trophy
No other trophies.

Was he great? Yes.

Was he a generational talent? Only if you were French Canadian.

Richard was not a generational talent. Not even close.

The mystique that has built up around the guy is bizarre.

He was a god in Quebec for social/political reasons.

But he simply doesn't deserve the idol worship elsewhere.

His 50 in 50 came during WWII - the rosters were incredibly depleted (both in terms of talent and actual numbers).

He would have only won the Richard trophy 4 times (that's off the top of my head - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

1 Hart Trophy
No other trophies.

Was he great? Yes.

Was he a generational talent? Only if you were French Canadian.
- Atomic Wedgie

Someone's bitter.

Someone's bitter.
- Pecafan Fan

That was impeccable timing.

I'm seeing a lot of players get picked on and many get a free pass. I'll use Voracek for example.

Jake Voracek had a really nice get last night but he hasn't exactly led the charge in the first three. I think he gets a free pass because he's flashy, where as a guy like Brayden Schenn or even Luke Schenn isn't. In my time as a Flyers fan, I've seen more production from less flashy but more elite players. Simon Gagne at Voracek's age had more production and more responsiblity by being an situations player and scoring 40 goals.

I think even our best can do a little more. Not just show up every third or fourth game. It shouldn't be just the playoffs or a tough match up that gets these guys out of bed.

I'll continue to believe in the youth core of this group.

Lottery protection is just common sense. No one wants to be the next Garth Snow.
- Feanor

Don't forget the Leafs when they traded for Kessel. The Bruins won the cup and then got to pick second overall that year and 9th overall the following year.

Phil Kessel vs Tyler Seguin & Dougie Hamilton.

Richard was not a generational talent. Not even close.

The mystique that has built up around the guy is bizarre.

He was a god in Quebec for social/political reasons.

But he simply doesn't deserve the idol worship elsewhere.

His 50 in 50 came during WWII - the rosters were incredibly depleted (both in terms of talent and actual numbers).

He would have only won the Richard trophy 4 times (that's off the top of my head - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

1 Hart Trophy
No other trophies.

Was he great? Yes.

Was he a generational talent? Only if you were French Canadian.
- Atomic Wedgie

Shots fired at La Belle Province.

That was impeccable timing.
- NickTheKid87

Yea leaf's fan and hans show up on same page of a flyers thread...poop just got real

Don't forget the Leafs when they traded for Kessel. The Bruins won the cup and then got to pick second overall that year and 9th overall the following year.

Phil Kessel vs Tyler Seguin & Dougie Hamilton.
- Flyers_01

I never understood why the NHL doesn't use lottery protection like the NBA. The NBA is much easier to predict which teams will be good.

It's rare that you have a team like the Avs last year jump from one of the worst to the top of the standings.

That was impeccable timing.
- NickTheKid87

Thanks.

I'm seeing a lot of players get picked on and many get a free pass. I'll use Voracek for example.

Jake Voracek had a really nice get last night but he hasn't exactly led the charge in the first three. I think he gets a free pass because he's flashy, where as a guy like Brayden Schenn or even Luke Schenn isn't. In my time as a Flyers fan, I've seen more production from less flashy but more elite players. Simon Gagne at Voracek's age had more production and more responsiblity by being an situations player and scoring 40 goals.

I think even our best can do a little more. Not just show up every third or fourth game. It shouldn't be just the playoffs or a tough match up that gets these guys out of bed.

I'll continue to believe in the youth core of this group.
- SuperSchennBros

Its ok we get it, u like the schenns and a certain 80's video game... But the schenns will go be average in another town one day soon... Hey even old yeller got put down

Yea leaf's fan and hans show up on same page of a flyers thread...poop just got real
- JoeRussomanno

I'm secretly hoping for a post from the Habs fan about how overrated Doug Gilmour was.

anyone else see this last night, lindrosesk

http://www.youtube.com/wa...feature=player_detailpage

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I'm secretly hoping for a post from the Habs fan about how overrated Doug Gilmour was.
- johndewar

Know who's always been overrated?

Wendel Clark.

I'm secretly hoping for a post from the Habs fan about how overrated Doug Gilmour was.
- johndewar

I think hes gonna play rope a dope (not that the leafs guy is a dope) until late in the game.

Know who's always been overrated?

Wendel Clark.
- Pecafan Fan

Every Toronto Maple Leaf ever has been overrated by that fanbase.

Every Toronto Maple Leaf ever has been overrated by that fanbase.
- bradleyc4

So several leaf fans have become flyer fans in recent years?

U shpuld be banned for posting this abortion
- JoeRussomanno

I just threw up my lunch. How dare you post this abomination. I meant to post on that picture. Wrong post . sry. but you get the idea

Every Toronto Maple Leaf ever has been overrated by that fanbase.
- bradleyc4

Wrong.

See: Clarkson, David

Every Toronto Maple Leaf ever has been overrated by that fanbase.
- bradleyc4

Are you kidding? Everyone who ever suited up for the Leafs is a generational talent!



except clarkson

Every Toronto Maple Leaf ever has been overrated by that fanbase.
- bradleyc4

Even Kessel and Phaneuf?

Know who's always been overrated?

Wendel Clark.
- Pecafan Fan

You know whos over rated? Daigle. Gratton.

Optimistic point of view:

Everyone of these games have been winnable.
The Flyers are showing great resilience in coming back from deficits a lot already (similar to what they did last season).
The Flyers special teams are very good.
Simmonds has blossomed into one of the premiere power forwards in the league - dare I say an All-Star appearance this season?
Jake has come alive. Hopefully that trend continues (big visor and all).