I think they're a middle of the road, playoff bubble team. I don't think they'll be bad enough to get a shot at McDavid or Eichel without a lottery win. But I also don't think they're a guaranteed playoff shoo-in.
- Jsaquella

Agreed, I think it is a poor place to be. I hope at Christmas they decide to trade vets if we are right and not trade assets for a push. A bit too soon to say this but writing seems to be on the wall.

Ladd is an decent forward but he is soon to be a UFA. All you named is a serviceable D man. We have plenty of serviceable D men. But you want to deal both Schenn's and Read for that? Horrible idea.
- MJL

We only have three decent dmen that are healthy right now. Last time i checked u need 6. Umberger was about to be bought out but we traded for him.

I see a decent number 3-4-5 guy in Macdonald....I think he's been ok...I don't see a 5 year commitment or the financial value he comes with, I think they continue ti reach on a lot of these guys. Luke Schenn will always have warts to his game...there's been no marked improvement since he's arrived in philly and my guess is there never will be. He has three good shifts ...then 3 bad ones... There best D man this year has been Streit, but that's asking a lot for that to continue all year.
- landros 2

Streit hasn't been the best D man, not by far. He's been mediocre all around, although he is producing poinnts. MacDonald has easily been the best defenseman to this point

My definition of a good team is the team that played the first two periods against Montreal, and the last two periods against Anaheim. That team is capable of beating a lot of teams. Regardless of how well this team plays, I don't feel they have the roster to win the Cup.
- MJL

I don't even care if there's a drop off in the third against MTL....its the size of the drop off....Games have ebbs and flows...but you can't let that happen....that's on the coach and the players.

We only have three decent dmen that are healthy right now. Last time i checked u need 6. Umberger was about to be bought out but we traded for him.
- JoeRussomanno

They had 6 defenseman in the lineup last night. How would that serviceable defenseman you want to trade the Schenn's and Red for help?

Streit hasn't been the best D man, not by far. He's been mediocre all around, although he is producing poinnts. MacDonald has easily been the best defenseman to this point
- MJL

can't say I agree...big shock there.

Massively overrated Joe? They've both been getting ripped on this forum for days!
- MJL

Yea and everytime someone mentions moving them they get their head ripped off... Buh bye schenns if im hextall.

I don't even care if there's a drop off in the third against MTL....its the size of the drop off....Games have ebbs and flows...but you can't let that happen....that's on the coach and the players.
- landros 2

I agree. They stopped skating and playing and decided to stand around and watch. Unacceptable.

Yea and everytime someone mentions moving them they get their head ripped off... Buh bye schenns if im hextall.
- JoeRussomanno

You didn't get your head ripped off because you mentioned moving them. You got opposition to it because the deal you proposed was a bad deal.

They had 6 defenseman in the lineup last night. How would that serviceable defenseman you want to trade the Schenn's and Red for help?
- MJL

They had 6 but the pairings have to be carefully done so that one guy is essentially carrying the other so in essence they had 3

Agreed, I think it is a poor place to be. I hope at Christmas they decide to trade vets if we are right and not trade assets for a push. A bit too soon to say this but writing seems to be on the wall.
- coffee junkie

That's the thing. They can play really good for short periods-see last night and the game against Montreal. But they can't sustain it, or at least haven't been able to sustain it.

Right now the difference between them and the Buffalos and Edmontons is, they're more competitive. They're not getting their doors blown off. They're not winning games though.

Massively overrated Joe? They've both been getting ripped on this forum for days!
- MJL

I think if L schenn plays with these three keys he would be a good dman..

1) dont put yourself in a position of a foot race back into your zone...youll lose.
2)stay infront of player and steer him towards boards and then hit him with your purse.
3)After steering player to boards and hitting him with purse get puck and move it to someone who does not handle it like a live grenade.

They had 6 defenseman in the lineup last night. How would that serviceable defenseman you want to trade the Schenn's and Red for help?
- MJL

I don't think the best 6 d men even made the team!!!! I get why, and half a $$ agree with it but thats not good when the kids come in and look that much better then your vets.

This team is close. They've showed in parts in the Boston, Montreal, and Anaheim game that they can play with good teams. Unfortunately, breakdowns, slow starts, and inconsistent effort continues to plague them. Really wish they'd fix those issues. If they did, the Flyers would be a pretty good team.
- MJL

Yes, you are right if the Flyers fixed the inconsistent efforts they would be a good team. The problem is that the Flyers have been inconsistent for years, and this goes back to before Lavi. The Flyers have been an inconsistent team, it’s been their identity, and I’m not sure why that is.
Perhaps, it has to do with the fact that the roster has been a revolving door. There are only 2 players from the 2010-2011 season left on the roster. Compare that with the Kings, Boston or Chicago. Most of their roster has been together for a long period of time.
Consistency comes from working together and forming chemistry. You can’t do that if your linemates change from year to year , let alone from game to game (see B. Schenn).

You didn't get your head ripped off because you mentioned moving them. You got opposition to it because the deal you proposed was a bad deal.
- MJL

And trading talbot for downie last year was what?

They had 6 but the pairings have to be carefully done so that one guy is essentially carrying the other so in essence they had 3
- JoeRussomanno

C'mon Joe, that's weak.

Hypothetically would you move Schenn, Schenn and a 2nd round pick if you could get Grigorenko and Myers? Seems like Grigorenko just can't seem to make the Sabres roster.

Yea and everytime someone mentions moving them they get their head ripped off... Buh bye schenns if im hextall.
- JoeRussomanno

It's got to be the right kind of deal. Like that blog I posted the other day-Brayden for Eriksson is just not getting value for him. The Ladd one was closer to getting value, but if he puts it together he could be a younger version of Ladd.

My thing is, if you're making a trade involving Brayden Schenn, it has to be one for the future, as much as the present.

I don't think the best 6 d men even made the team!!!! I get why, and half a $$ agree with it but thats not good when the kids come in and look that much better then your vets.
- landros 2

If hextall wants to keep the kids in juniors, amd be competitive he needs help on that blueline.

And trading talbot for downie last year was what?
- JoeRussomanno

a contract dump.

And trading talbot for downie last year was what?
- JoeRussomanno

No big deal. But what does that have to do with trading the Schenn's or the deal you proposed?

And trading talbot for downie last year was what?
- JoeRussomanno

Before getting hurt, Downie was a big positive for the Flyers. He did a good job until he got concussed.

Yes, you are right if the Flyers fixed the inconsistent efforts they would be a good team. The problem is that the Flyers have been inconsistent for years, and this goes back to before Lavi. The Flyers have been an inconsistent team, it’s been their identity, and I’m not sure why that is.
Perhaps, it has to do with the fact that the roster has been a revolving door. There are only 2 players from the 2010-2011 season left on the roster. Compare that with the Kings, Boston or Chicago. Most of their roster has been together for a long period of time.
Consistency comes from working together and forming chemistry. You can’t do that if your linemates change from year to year , let alone from game to game (see B. Schenn).
- VladDrag

I agree, it has been a consistent issue. And it's puzzling why they can't figure that out.

It's got to be the right kind of deal. Like that blog I posted the other day-Brayden for Eriksson is just not getting value for him. The Ladd one was closer to getting value, but if he puts it together he could be a younger version of Ladd.

My thing is, if you're making a trade involving Brayden Schenn, it has to be one for the future, as much as the present.
- Jsaquella

I tgibk u still get 5 years out of lad, but he's just one guy im sure theres others available.

Hypothetically would you move Schenn, Schenn and a 2nd round pick if you could get Grigorenko and Myers? Seems like Grigorenko just can't seem to make the Sabres roster.
- J35Bacher

No. Not trading picks and I'm not a huge Grigo fan.