It's got to be the right kind of deal. Like that blog I posted the other day-Brayden for Eriksson is just not getting value for him. The Ladd one was closer to getting value, but if he puts it together he could be a younger version of Ladd.

My thing is, if you're making a trade involving Brayden Schenn, it has to be one for the future, as much as the present.
- Jsaquella

Here's the thing though. What was JVR's rationale for why he was able to reach the next level in TO and not in Philly? He said he was never really given the opportunity. Different coach, same problem.

As you've pointed out, Schenn deserves more than 4 friggin periods to develop some chemistry. I agree with that. But my personal opinion...he needs to play center with a dynamic winger in order to be successful.

You know what will happen, right? He will get traded, be given a legit opportunity as a 2nd line center with some decent wingers and blossom into a decent player.

As the Flyers add an endless supply of middle 6 forwards picking in the teens, Buffalo will be adding generational talent. It will be like when the Flyers were selling Richards and Carter as equals of Malkin and Crosby.
- psuhockey

Claude Giroux and Mike Richards were players chosen in the teens.

If they dont make that trade, and it takes another 2 weeks to get on a roll, do they make the playoffs?
- JoeRussomanno

Who knows?

Here's the thing though. What was JVR's rationale for why he was able to reach the next level in TO and not in Philly? He said he was never really given the opportunity. Different coach, same problem.

As you've pointed out, Schenn deserves more than 4 friggin periods to develop some chemistry. I agree with that. But my personal opinion...he needs to play center with a dynamic winger in order to be successful.

You know what will happen, right? He will get traded, be given a legit opportunity as a 2nd line center with some decent wingers and blossom into a decent player.
- TheGreat28

Jvr showed flashes of greatness here tho... What have we really seen from schenn that makes you go "wow that kid is gonna be great!"? ... His fight with Kovy?

That's the thing. They can play really good for short periods-see last night and the game against Montreal. But they can't sustain it, or at least haven't been able to sustain it.

Right now the difference between them and the Buffalos and Edmontons is, they're more competitive. They're not getting their doors blown off. They're not winning games though.
- Jsaquella

Let's all take last night's game with a grain of salt though. They played a west coast team on a 4 game road trip, 2nd game of a back to back. Oh, and it was four or five games into the season before the Ducks really have gotten their skating legs. In the 1st period, when the Ducks were fresh, they didn't fare so well. It was only after exhaustion set in that the Flyers started to come on, and even then they couldn't beat a team they had against the ropes.

Here's the thing though. What was JVR's rationale for why he was able to reach the next level in TO and not in Philly? He said he was never really given the opportunity. Different coach, same problem.

As you've pointed out, Schenn deserves more than 4 friggin periods to develop some chemistry. I agree with that. But my personal opinion...he needs to play center with a dynamic winger in order to be successful.

You know what will happen, right? He will get traded, be given a legit opportunity as a 2nd line center with some decent wingers and blossom into a decent player.
- TheGreat28

If schenn gets a dman who can actually clear the d zone and hold the blue line in the o zone I don't care if he blossoms into that second line center. We have plenty if second line centers

But Kessler also is a solid two way player and different skill set then Schenn. He puts up point while also playing a solid defensive game.
- J35Bacher

Point taken, bad reference; however, my point was that it takes time for player to develop at different rates.

Also, at the time of the draft, Bob McKenzie calls Schenn a 2nd line Center. If you go around looking at stats of second line centers you'll see his point totals are on par with those players. (This isn't really addessing your point, just an add on)

Explain exactly what you mean by throw in? Cause he's not exactly a game changer either.
- JoeRussomanno

If you want to trade the Schenns, OK, tell what what the return might be.

Don't also throw in Matt Read, who was our fourth highest ES scorer last season, and our second most important forward on the PK.

Let's all take last night's game with a grain of salt though. They played a west coast team on a 4 game road trip, 2nd game of a back to back. Oh, and it was four or five games into the season before the Ducks really have gotten their skating legs. In the 1st period, when the Ducks were fresh, they didn't fare so well. It was only after exhaustion set in that the Flyers started to come on, and even then they couldn't beat a team they had against the ropes.
- TheGreat28

I think that is part of it. But a big part of it is also that the Flyers wore them down on the forecheck in the 2nd and 3rd periods.

If you want to trade the Schenns, OK, tell what what the return might be.

Don't also throw-in Matt Read, who was our fourth highest ES scorer last season, and our second most important forward on the PK.
- Feanor

I think you have to sweeten the pot with something.

If schenn gets a dman who can actually clear the d zone and hold the blue line in the o zone I don't care if he blossoms into that second line center. We have plenty if second line centers
- 28Girouxsalem28

That's really the issue here. Schenn needs to learn to play wing or else there's really no place for him on the roster. Couturier takes precedent over him and Lecavalier isn't going anywhere. None of the 3 should be on the fourth line for an extended period either.

I think you have to sweeten the pot with something.
- JoeRussomanno

Not to get Ladd you don't.

Yea and everytime someone mentions moving them they get their head ripped off... Buh bye schenns if im hextall.
- JoeRussomanno

I agree with you. If there is a deal to be had for them then I don't hesitate to trade them. Homer " over evaluated " Luke when the JVR trade was made which was his worst deal IMO.
I have not been impressed with B Schenn he needs to be more consistent and maybe a change of scenery will help

I think that is part of it. But a big part of it is also that the Flyers wore them down on the forecheck in the 2nd and 3rd periods.
- MJL

Remember when Giroux had the most heart? It seems like simmonds is the only guy giving 100% thru 60mins

Point taken, bad reference; however, my point was that it takes time for player to develop at different rates.

Also, at the time of the draft, Bob McKenzie calls Schenn a 2nd line Center. If you go around looking at stats of second line centers you'll see his point totals are on par with those players. (This isn't really addessing your point, just an add on)
- VladDrag

Hes been here three years going, showed little improvement if any.

Claude Giroux and Mike Richards were players chosen in the teens.
- MJL

And Getzlaf and Perry were #19 and #28 in their draft.

Not to get Ladd you don't.
- Feanor

Ok if we can do better than him im all in

Point taken, bad reference; however, my point was that it takes time for player to develop at different rates.

Also, at the time of the draft, Bob McKenzie calls Schenn a 2nd line Center. If you go around looking at stats of second line centers you'll see his point totals are on par with those players. (This isn't really addessing your point, just an add on)
- VladDrag

I get that. I think what hurts Schenn is that he isn't going to be a 2nd line center here. I think they want to get Couturier more dynamic wingers and let Laughton play his roll as a defensive thrid line center eventually. That is why they are trying to play Schenn at wing.

The best 6 D men now made the team. Pre season is pre season.
- MJL

pre season is preseason....and talent is talent.

Hes been here three years going, showed little improvement if any.
- JoeRussomanno

Sorry he hasn't scored 50 goals yet.

I agree with you. If there is a deal to be had for them then I don't hesitate to trade them. Homer " over evaluated " Luke when the JVR trade was made which was his worst deal IMO.
I have not been impressed with B Schenn he needs to be more consistent and maybe a change of scenery will help
- 3flyerkids

I think Homer also made the deal because he thought having Luke woulod help Brayden develop. Having his brother here would allow him to be comfortable and he would replace JVR then.

pre season is preseason....and talent is talent.
- landros 2

Preseason is preseason a d schenn, grissmann and mdz are still in it.

Hes been here three years going, showed little improvement if any.
- JoeRussomanno

That exact same argument was levied at JvR after his first three seasons... you sure you want to move Schenn based on that kind of logic?

pre season is preseason....and talent is talent.
- landros 2

Talent has to be ready for the NHL. Or are you not aware of the development process for young talented defenseman?

Sorry he hasn't scored 50 goals yet.
- VladDrag

Im sorry hes about as effective (less maybe)as mikael renberg with a sports hernia. Coots hasnt lit the world on fire with offense either but hes brought other aspects that help the team.