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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 16 @ 8:46 AM ET
What I learned from the previous thread:

1) Jasaq is a horrible parent

2) G_I_G shouldnt have kids

- KINGKENZO

Last night I learned BiggE is pretty much the most credible person on this board
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 16 @ 8:47 AM ET
Actually, when everyone is healthy, I'd be fine if our first 3 shooters were:
Giroux
VLC
Akeson

- BiggE


Vinny's at 24% for his career. I'd rather try somebody new and see if we have another 40% guy hidden in the ranks. Matt Read has been stone cold since goalies worked out he only shoots and never makes a move.

I'd use Giroux, Voracek and Bellemare. Vinny is 2 for his last 9 shootout attempts, and didn't even take a shot in his final season in Tampa
- Jsaquella


But Voracek hasn't scored in a shootout since the 09-10 season, and just admitted in an interview that he lacks the balls he had when he was younger.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 16 @ 8:47 AM ET
Last night I learned BiggE is pretty much the most credible person on this board
- Giroux_Is_God


I'm here to dumb things down a bit.

Stortini should of been recalled.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 8:48 AM ET
I'm here to dumb things down a bit.

Stortini should of been recalled.

- Streit2ThePoint


Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 8:49 AM ET
Vinny's at 24% for his career. I'd rather try somebody new and see if we have another 40% guy hidden in the ranks. Matt Read has been stone cold since goalies worked out he only shoots and never makes a move.



But Voracek hasn't scored in a shootout since the 09-10 season, and just admitted in an interview that he lacks the balls he had when he was younger.

- Feanor


True, it's a fair point, but I think that if he took more shots, the confidence would return and the balls would drop
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Oct 16 @ 8:50 AM ET
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 16 @ 8:52 AM ET
Akeson doesn't dump the puck in enough for Berube's taste.

Actually, I understand Berube's thought process here, making a young guy earn more ice time. At the same time, there's such a thing as using a square peg to fill a round hole.

I'd like to see Akeson used in a role that's better suited to his abilities before complaining about his consistency when he's filling a role he's not especially suited for. But that seems to be Berube's MO. Skill guys get less rope than energy guys & small guys get less rope than bigger guys.

- Jsaquella



Lots of posters wanted to see Akeson on the 4th line because they liked what they saw in the pre season. If I'm not mistaked you were one of them. Now he's in a role that he's not suited for. Which is why I wasn't a fan of Akeson on the 4th line.

But I'm willing to give it some time before coming to a conclusion. He is playing in an unfamiliar role, and should be given time to acclimate. Not just being an NHL player for the first time, but also in an umfamiliar role.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 16 @ 8:53 AM ET
Did anyone ask Berube if Akseon might get a shot on the second PP unit? It has done nothing so far this year.
- Feanor


I wasn't there yesterday (just got back to Texas to take advantage of the Flyers' upcoming road trip through Dallas and then, after covering that game in person, will remain here until the Flyers return home from the trip).

However, Berube was asked that question on Saturday and the answer was no, but things might be looked at going forward.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 8:54 AM ET
Lots of posters wanted to see Akeson on the 4th line because they liked what they saw in the pre season. If I'm not mistaked you were one of them. Now he's in a role that he's not suited for. Which is why I wasn't a fan of Akeson on the 4th line.

But I'm willing to give it some time before coming to a conclusion. He is playing in an unfamiliar role, and should be given time to acclimate. Not just being an NHL player for the first time, but also in an umfamiliar role.

- MJL


Incorrect. I wanted Akeson on a more offensively inclined line from the get go. Allow me to direct your attention to the numerous posts you made about elevating an untested rookie like Akeson over a proven veteran such as Umberger.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

Oct 16 @ 8:55 AM ET
Akeson doesn't dump the puck in enough for Berube's taste.

Actually, I understand Berube's thought process here, making a young guy earn more ice time. At the same time, there's such a thing as using a square peg to fill a round hole.

I'd like to see Akeson used in a role that's better suited to his abilities before complaining about his consistency when he's filling a role he's not especially suited for. But that seems to be Berube's MO. Skill guys get less rope than energy guys & small guys get less rope than bigger guys.

- Jsaquella

How much rope do you think Chief has?
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 16 @ 8:56 AM ET

- Pixote Andolini


I didn't know Carter was missing his two front teeths.

And that slap pass to Stamkos was pretty sweet
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 16 @ 8:56 AM ET
I wasn't there yesterday (just got back to Texas to take advantage of the Flyers' upcoming road trip through Dallas and then, after covering that game in person, will remain here until the Flyers return home from the trip).

However, Berube was asked that question on Saturday and the answer was no, but things might be looked at going forward.

- bmeltzer


Thanks. That's good news to me.

Maybe if MDZ gets benched in favor of Schultz that would open a spot for Akeson on the 2nd PP unit.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 16 @ 8:58 AM ET
Incorrect. I wanted Akeson on a more offensively inclined line from the get go. Allow me to direct your attention to the numerous posts you made about elevating an untested rookie like Akeson over a proven veteran such as Umberger.
- Jsaquella


I don't think I'm incorrect. And I haven't made any statements about Akeson playing over Umberger, or vice versa. I see them as two different kinds of players.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 8:59 AM ET
How much rope do you think Chief has?
- JW98FlyerFan


Unless they completely fail to turn things around in the next 10-20 games-and I basically mean turn into Edmonton or something-I think he's safe for the entire season.

The only way I think Berube gets fired in season is if they have some kind of epic run of horrid play-like go 0-13-2 or something to start the season. I think Hextall knew this could be a down year and despite my criticism and not really being a fan of Berube, I can't see another coach coming in and doing much better.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Oct 16 @ 9:00 AM ET
Incorrect. I wanted Akeson on a more offensively inclined line from the get go. Allow me to direct your attention to the numerous posts you made about elevating an untested rookie like Akeson over a proven veteran such as Umberger.
- Jsaquella


Can we beg someone to take Umberger off our hands. 0 points and a -5.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 16 @ 9:01 AM ET
Can we beg someone to take Umberger off our hands. 0 points and a -5.
- 3flyerkids



It's early.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 9:01 AM ET
I don't think I'm incorrect. And I haven't made any statements about Akeson playing over Umberger, or vice versa. I see them as two different kinds of players.
- MJL


Well, you are. When I've suggested line combinations, I've routinely suggested a line of Akeson, Lecavalier and Raffl, whether as a 3rd or 4th line, to give him more of a chance to utilize his skill set as an offensively inclined player.

I doubt I've ever stated that my ideal was for him to be on a line with Bellemare and Rinaldo.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 9:02 AM ET
Can we beg someone to take Umberger off our hands. 0 points and a -5.
- 3flyerkids


Sure. Will they? Doubtful
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 16 @ 9:04 AM ET
Can we beg someone to take Umberger off our hands. 0 points and a -5.
- 3flyerkids


Hartnell didn't score a point till his 10th game last year, and he was playing on the top line. It's a little early to panic about Umberger. At the very worst he's a cheap buyout next summer or the one after.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 16 @ 9:07 AM ET
Can we beg someone to take Umberger off our hands. 0 points and a -5.
- 3flyerkids

But guys, we really need to wait and see him play more. The entire media and fan base in Columbus was wrong.

Plus, we got rid of that Hartnell guy. He falls the (frank) down too much and was just carried by G and Jake and Leino and Briere and Carter and Lupul and Jagr.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Oct 16 @ 9:08 AM ET
Unless they completely fail to turn things around in the next 10-20 games-and I basically mean turn into Edmonton or something-I think he's safe for the entire season.

The only way I think Berube gets fired in season is if they have some kind of epic run of horrid play-like go 0-13-2 or something to start the season. I think Hextall knew this could be a down year and despite my criticism and not really being a fan of Berube, I can't see another coach coming in and doing much better.

- Jsaquella



I was thinking about Edmonton last night while watching the game on centerice. Man are they a good trade partner. They need d and we need wingers. There has to be a deal where we can send a package to EDM and get a winger back.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Oct 16 @ 9:09 AM ET
Hartnell didn't score a point till his 10th game last year, and he was playing on the top line. It's a little early to panic about Umberger. At the very worst he's a cheap buyout next summer or the one after.
- Feanor



True, but at least he brought a physical element.
I want RJ to work out but I can see why he was a healthy scratch in Columbus
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

Oct 16 @ 9:10 AM ET
Unless they completely fail to turn things around in the next 10-20 games-and I basically mean turn into Edmonton or something-I think he's safe for the entire season.

The only way I think Berube gets fired in season is if they have some kind of epic run of horrid play-like go 0-13-2 or something to start the season. I think Hextall knew this could be a down year and despite my criticism and not really being a fan of Berube, I can't see another coach coming in and doing much better.

- Jsaquella

Agree, but I think they are shopping for a coach at the end of the season...I don't think Hexy will stick with the Chief experiment long term.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 9:11 AM ET
I was thinking about Edmonton last night while watching the game on centerice. Man are they a good trade partner. They need d and we need wingers. There has to be a deal where we can send a package to EDM and get a winger back.
- J35Bacher


Trouble There is, the Flyers could use some defense help too
MFC
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Promised Land, PA
Joined: 03.04.2009

Oct 16 @ 9:12 AM ET
True, but at least he brought a physical element.
I want RJ to work out but I can see why he was a healthy scratch in Columbus

- 3flyerkids

But he is very versatile according to Hexy, able to be just as lethargic at either wing or even center.
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