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mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 17 @ 1:11 PM ET
I was always more of a Mike Richards fan, myself. I don't miss Jeff Carter.
- johndewar


i think we got everything out of richards as far as his potential here, it seems like he has declined a bit in la each year, where carter seems to get a little better and chiseld
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 17 @ 1:13 PM ET
Remember, he was a very good player as a Flyer, before going to Columbus.
- MJL


he was, mgnt just got impatient...the player he is now i believe would be a better fit then g on the top line
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 17 @ 1:17 PM ET
i think we got everything out of richards as far as his potential here, it seems like he has declined a bit in la each year, where carter seems to get a little better and chiseld
- mydoglicks


Perhaps. Good player. Just not a player you build around is all.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 17 @ 1:21 PM ET
he was, mgnt just got impatient...the player he is now i believe would be a better fit then g on the top line
- mydoglicks


In his years in Philly, he scored 23, 14, 29, 46, 33, 36 goals. He's more defensively responsible now I suppose but that has more to do with LA's system. I don't think he's that much better than when he was here tbh. He's relied on a lot less too.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Oct 17 @ 1:22 PM ET
They are a bottom 5 defense group.

Teams that are possibly worse...

Edmonton
Detroit
Dallas
Buffalo


possibly

- Just5

Carolina
I'm still not convinced about NYI,
Calgary
Colorado

If these teams have a better D corp on paper than us, it's not by a whole lot.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 17 @ 1:27 PM ET
Balderdash. We'll rip that guy for turning it over or for lack of "puck moving skills."
- jmatchett383

Talk! It's only talk
Arguments agreements, advice, answers, articulate announcements....
It's ooooooooonly talk...

Talllllk! It's only talk!
Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker! Brouhaha! Baaaaaaalderdash! Ballyhoo!
It's only talk....
Back talk!

Talk talk talk! It's ooooonly talk!
Comments, cliches, commentary, controversy, chatter, chit-chat chit-chat chit-chat!
Conversation, contradiction, criticism...
It's only talk
Cheap talk!

Talk! Talk! It's only talk!
Debates! Discussions!
These are words with a D this time!!
Dialogue! Dualogue! Diatribe! Dissention! Declamation!
Double talk! Double talk...

Talk! Talk! It's allllllllllll talk!!
Too much talk! Small talk!
Talk that trash!!
Expressions, editorials, expugnations, exclamations, enfadulations!
It's allllllllll talk....
Elephant talk! Elephant talk! Elephant talk!!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 17 @ 1:29 PM ET
21 if I'm naked
- PhillySportsGuy

I can count to 69 when I'm naked.

Zing.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 17 @ 1:31 PM ET
@BroadStBull: They don't like how he matches up defensively vs top-line wings RT @jeffgruarin: @BroadStBull agree read deserves bigger role offensively?

The great Sam Carchidi
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 17 @ 1:33 PM ET
@BroadStBull: They don't like how he matches up defensively vs top-line wings RT @jeffgruarin: @BroadStBull agree read deserves bigger role offensively?

The great Sam Carchidi

- Jsaquella


I thought BroadStBullpoop was the real account, and BroadStBull was the parody account?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 17 @ 1:36 PM ET
I was always more of a Mike Richards fan, myself. I don't miss Jeff Carter.
- johndewar



Interesting. At the time of the trades, If I had to chose between trading one or the other, I wanted to keep Carter.

Big, fast, two way forwards who can score are a rare breed indeed.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 17 @ 1:37 PM ET
Interesting. At the time of the trades, If I had to chose between trading one or the other, I would have wanted to keep Carter.

Big, fast, two way forwards who can score are a rare breed indeed.

- MBFlyerfan


Just a style preference, really. I understand all of the arguments for and against either player.

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 17 @ 1:46 PM ET
Just a style preference, really. I understand all of the arguments for and against either player.
- johndewar



Totally understood. You cant teach stuff like grit, and Richards had it in abundance. I just personally always felt Carter was the better player.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Oct 17 @ 1:48 PM ET
There was a miscommunication between the words circumcision and castration when I was a child...
- PhillySportsGuy

umph, sorry to hear that hahahaha
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 17 @ 1:49 PM ET
21 if I'm naked
- PhillySportsGuy


I knew that was coming, just a matter of time
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 17 @ 1:51 PM ET
Talk! It's only talk
Arguments agreements, advice, answers, articulate announcements....
It's ooooooooonly talk...

Talllllk! It's only talk!
Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker! Brouhaha! Baaaaaaalderdash! Ballyhoo!
It's only talk....
Back talk!

Talk talk talk! It's ooooonly talk!
Comments, cliches, commentary, controversy, chatter, chit-chat chit-chat chit-chat!
Conversation, contradiction, criticism...
It's only talk
Cheap talk!

Talk! Talk! It's only talk!
Debates! Discussions!
These are words with a D this time!!
Dialogue! Dualogue! Diatribe! Dissention! Declamation!
Double talk! Double talk...

Talk! Talk! It's allllllllllll talk!!
Too much talk! Small talk!
Talk that trash!!
Expressions, editorials, expugnations, exclamations, enfadulations!
It's allllllllll talk....
Elephant talk! Elephant talk! Elephant talk!!

- Giroux_Is_God


That's a beautiful poem.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 17 @ 1:52 PM ET
@BroadStBull: They don't like how he matches up defensively vs top-line wings RT @jeffgruarin: @BroadStBull agree read deserves bigger role offensively?

The great Sam Carchidi

- Jsaquella


It's the other way around. They like Read defensively against top lines but they don't think he's very effective offensively when he's been given chances to be out against other team's top shutdown lines.

Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 17 @ 1:53 PM ET
How many games until fans start wearing paper bags on their heads?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 17 @ 1:55 PM ET
It's the other way around. They like Read defensively against top lines but they don't think he's very effective offensively when he's been given chances to be out against other team's top shutdown lines.
- bmeltzer


Read also just came out and said he wants to play RW because he sees the ice better there.
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Oct 17 @ 1:56 PM ET
My prediction:

Flyers miss playoffs
Win draft lottery - Draft McDavid (G, McD, Coots, Laught as centers)
Hire Mike Babcock to be coach
Young D comes in next year and rejuvenates the D
Win next 3 cups (2 if we're being realistic)

All is good in Flyerland
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 17 @ 1:58 PM ET
My prediction:

Flyers miss playoffs
Win draft lottery - Draft McDavid (G, McD, Coots, Laught as centers)
Hire Mike Babcock to be coach
Young D comes in next year and rejuvenates the D
Win next 3 cups (2 if we're being realistic)

All is good in Flyerland

- JonnyHammerstix


Probably only one of those things will happen....


McDavid would be sweet with Simmonds and Akeson
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 17 @ 2:00 PM ET
It's the other way around. They like Read defensively against top lines but they don't think he's very effective offensively when he's been given chances to be out against other team's top shutdown lines.
- bmeltzer


That makes a bit more sense. At least there's a reasonable explanation for that view. To say Read isn't able to provide good defense, just nuts
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 17 @ 2:00 PM ET
Probably only one of those things will happen....


McDavid would be sweet with Simmonds and Akeson

- Streit2ThePoint


Berube would put him on the 4th line.

"He's gotta earn it."
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 2:00 PM ET
In his years in Philly, he scored 23, 14, 29, 46, 33, 36 goals. He's more defensively responsible now I suppose but that has more to do with LA's system. I don't think he's that much better than when he was here tbh. He's relied on a lot less too.
- NickTheKid87



Carter was an underrated player here defensively. LA has a deeper team, but Carter is one of their top players in minutes played. And plays in all situations. He is relied on a lot in LA.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 2:01 PM ET
Perhaps. Good player. Just not a player you build around is all.
- johndewar



Carter is not the marquis player that you build around, such as a Crosby, Stamkos, Giroux etc. But he's right there at the next level.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Oct 17 @ 2:02 PM ET
Probably only one of those things will happen....


McDavid would be sweet with Simmonds and Akeson

- Streit2ThePoint


Assuming Akeson is still here next season.
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