Holy sloppy giveaways on both sides - I'll take the over on this one

Let's be honest here. Both r below average defensive players
- Bieksa#3

True, but Stamkos is getting better defensively, while Ovi is getting worse.

Has anyone else noticed how Stamkos is starting to throw the body around more.? He is becoming more complete by adding a physical element. A lot of people forget the kid is built like an Abrams tank.

Speaking of Stamkos - HE SCORES!

Stamkos 2 - Sedins 0

I think ovie is the best goal scorer
- Bieksa#3

Stamkos these days, Ovie does it by being more selfish. Stamkos is better two-way as well. To me that makes him more impressive as a scorer.

Speaking of ridiculous cap-hits, there is Carle doing what he does best.
- GalacticStone

No, it's Gudas' fault.

With his +/- he better be.
- GalacticStone

Movie is career +48 and stammer is-1. Know what you are talking about before you blow stamkos

Stamkos 2 Sedins 0
- LeftCoaster

I'm shocked! ...Not

Stamkos these days, Ovie does it by being more selfish. Stamkos is better two-way as well. To me that makes him more impressive as a scorer.
- Nucker101

Both of them r weak defensively. That's pretty obvious

I'm shocked! ...Not
- Nucker101

Unless they changed things, the game is 60 minutes.

Movie is career +48 and stammer is-1. Know what you are talking about before you blow stamkos
- Bieksa#3

Ovi has been in the league longer and played on a more defensively-sound Washington team. Stamkos played with swiss cheese in net and midgets on D.

6-5 in a SO for TB

Ovi has been in the league longer and played on a more defensively-sound Washington team. Stamkos played with swiss cheese in net and midgets on D.
- GalacticStone

Washington has always been awful on defense. Meet Mike Green.

Both of them r weak defensively. That's pretty obvious
- Bieksa#3

Ovie's worse though.

Anyone else notice that Stamkos guy is kinda good at hockey?

Ovi has been in the league longer and played on a more defensively-sound Washington team. Stamkos played with swiss cheese in net and midgets on D.
- GalacticStone

Big D and really good goaltending.

Probably the 2 most important things you need to be a great goal scorer

My dads tougher than your dad

Who cares who's worse, any gifted offensive player cheats defensively to score. Guys like Kopitar and Toews don't, that's why they're considered the best/most complete centers in the game

Ovie's worse though.
- Nucker101

The numbers suggest othwrwise

Anyone else notice that Stamkos guy is kinda good at hockey?

- Vanoxy

Beast.

The numbers suggest othwrwise
- Bieksa#3

How so?

How so?
- Nucker101

?

Anyone else notice that Stamkos guy is kinda good at hockey?

- Vanoxy

Lack should have had both of those.

The numbers suggest othwrwise
- Bieksa#3

And both the Sedins haven't had a negative +\- since their rookie season, so tell me, how weak are they defensively? Maybe as great as Tanev?

Lack should have had both of those.
- LeftCoaster

Luongo syndrome

Washington has always been awful on defense. Meet Mike Green.
- Bieksa#3

Compared to Tampa's D during most of Stamkos' tenure, Washington's was 10x better. They also had far-better goaltending than we did.

Give it time, Ovi and Stammer's +/- are going to meet in the middle before too long.

Big D and really good goaltending.

Probably the 2 most important things you need to be a great goal scorer
- kneughter

Uh, yeah. LOL.