I wouldn't be amazed if he's trying to move one of the defensemen out to add picks and possibly make room for one of the kids. I'm sure he'd like to add picks for 2015, and let's face it, how much worse are the Flyers if Alt is playing on the third pair?
- Jsaquella

They could play him on the top-pair and probably not see too much of a drop off, lol.

I'd be over the moon if they could move one their plodders for a 2015 pick.

I would be ok if they traded him for another young winger. I dont think this team has the forward depth in the organization to dump him for a d man
- Just5

If he gets traded, I wouldn't be surprised if a forward was part of-or the entirety of-the return

Nor would I; I'd want something extra besides Gormley.

Brayden Schenn is another strange case that makes people question the Flyers' evaluation process.

He's bounced from line to line, position to position, shown flashes of skill and been inconsistent. Similar to JvR, except Schenn may not have shown the top end offensive skill that JvR would flash.

That said, when Schenn is on his game, he's definitely got the skill to be a top 6 NHL forward. If they are dangling him to address the defense, it's somewhat understandable. If they're dangling him because they're frustrated with his progress, you have to wonder if there's really that much difference in Hextall & past regimes.
- Jsaquella

Everytime a young player struggles, it's not always the coaches or how he has been developed. Sometimes it's the player. But what verdict is applied to the situation, is dependent on how popular the player is.

I doubt Hextall's actively trying to get rid of anyone up front. I wouldn't be amazed if he's trying to move one of the defensemen out to add picks and possibly make room for one of the kids. I'm sure he'd like to add picks for 2015, and let's face it, how much worse are the Flyers if Alt is playing on the third pair?
- Jsaquella

Absolutely

Dallas is a perfect example. They could badly use some physicality on D. If they are in the hunt come deadline day, I'm sure they'd move a 2nd for a guy like Grossmann.

BSchenn is overpayment for Gormley. Thank god you are not the GM.
- Feanor

Gormley is just lurking in the greener grass over the hill. And is so much better then what we have.

You won't get a #1 dman for Schenn. I'd be happy with a 2/3 guy similar to Coburn.
- BiggE

Agree, that is why I don't think Bschenn moves...we have a bunch of 3's now.

Suspect he's not untouchable... but doubt Hexy's actively trying to get rid of him.
- Tomahawk

I hope Hextall does not consider him untouchable and is actively shopping him for blueline help.
The team can score with or without B Schenn. Can't defend with him...so let's get something for him. JVR had a better upside than B Schenn and I just wish we got more for him ( or never traded him). I don't mind if they are a little " shy" to make a deal involving B Schenn but IMO the GM should improve the weakness on his hockey team.

Agree, that is why I don't think Bschenn moves...we have a bunch of 3's now.
- JW98FlyerFan

Well, if I could get a 25-27 year old version of Coburn for B Schenn, I'd make that deal in a heartbeat.

Agree, that is why I don't think Bschenn moves...we have a bunch of 3's now.
- JW98FlyerFan

Well, if I could get a 25-27 year old version of Coburn for B Schenn, I'd make that deal in a heartbeat.

I doubt Hextall's actively trying to get rid of anyone up front. I wouldn't be amazed if he's trying to move one of the defensemen out to add picks and possibly make room for one of the kids. I'm sure he'd like to add picks for 2015, and let's face it, how much worse are the Flyers if Alt is playing on the third pair?
- Jsaquella

I am thinking that Schenn might be available for a young dman or possibly for a young natural winger. If they get a young dman then they could look to swap one of theirs for picks or prospects at the TDL or now depending how desperate teams are for them.

I hope Hextall does not consider him untouchable and is actively shopping him for blueline help.
The team can score with or without B Schenn. Can't defend with him...so let's get something for him. JVR had a better upside than B Schenn and I just wish we got more for him ( or never traded him). I don't mind if they are a little " shy" to make a deal involving B Schenn but IMO the GM should improve the weakness on his hockey team.
- 3flyerkids

But it has to be the right defenseman. An established young NHL defenseman with upside. Trading B Schenn for a player like Gormley is nuts!

Well, if I could get a 25-27 year old version of Coburn for B Schenn, I'd make that deal in a heartbeat.
- BiggE

Not the right kind of player. I'd want the defenseman they get for B Schenn to have a more all around game.

I hope Hextall does not consider him untouchable and is actively shopping him for blueline help.
The team can score with or without B Schenn. Can't defend with him...so let's get something for him. JVR had a better upside than B Schenn and I just wish we got more for him ( or never traded him). I don't mind if they are a little " shy" to make a deal involving B Schenn but IMO the GM should improve the weakness on his hockey team.
- 3flyerkids

As maddening as Schenn has been, JvR was crazy inconsistent at the time of that trade, too. That's why I wouldn't move B Schenn for anything short of a homerun. I'm not relishing the idea of losing him for the next Luke.

Absolutely

Dallas is a perfect example. They could badly use some physicality on D. If they are in the hunt come deadline day, I'm sure they'd move a 2nd for a guy like Grossmann.
- BiggE

I'm not sold Grossmann gets you that much from anyone. Maybe Luke Schenn, but Grossmann, coming off that injury...I can't see teams being that eager to bite.

My gut feeling is that the Schenn trade talk is just a bunch of noise, and that there's not much too it. Personally, we're 5 games into the season. And Schenn started slow, but he has played two strong games in a row. I wouldn't be looking to make any trades at this point if I was Hextall. Not to say I wouldn't answer the phone.

Everytime a young player struggles, it's not always the coaches or how he has been developed. Sometimes it's the player. But what verdict is applied to the situation, is dependent on how popular the player is.
- MJL

Gormley is just lurking in the greener grass over the hill. And is so much better then what we have.
- MJL

Do you ever get tired of ripping on your fellow posters?

Brandon Gormley has been a top prospect for about 4 years now. He'll turn 23 in February but has only played 5 games in the NHL to date. I would be very wary of trading Brayden Schenn for him. I would love to take a chance on Gormley but for a smaller price.

I'm not sold Grossmann gets you that much from anyone. Maybe Luke Schenn, but Grossmann, coming off that injury...I can't see teams being that eager to bite.
- Jsaquella

Grossmann is going to get a decent pick or prospect. Not a whole lot more.

But it has to be the right defenseman. An established young NHL defenseman with upside. Trading B Schenn for a player like Gormley is nuts!
- MJL

I wouldn't trade B Schenn for Gormley either. It does have to be the " right" player. All I am saying is I hope Hextall is actively looking to improve this D core as it is as we all suspected not something that will last the season.

Well, if I could get a 25-27 year old version of Coburn for B Schenn, I'd make that deal in a heartbeat.
- BiggE

I wouldn't, Coburn is good, but i don't want two of him on this team...If I am moving a young 20 goal scorer I getting a number 1, otherwise i am waiting fo r the kids to grow a bit in the farm teams.

I hope Hextall does not consider him untouchable and is actively shopping him for blueline help.
The team can score with or without B Schenn. Can't defend with him...so let's get something for him. JVR had a better upside than B Schenn and I just wish we got more for him ( or never traded him). I don't mind if they are a little " shy" to make a deal involving B Schenn but IMO the GM should improve the weakness on his hockey team.
- 3flyerkids

Improving a weakness is fine, but you have to weigh the cost vs the degree of improvement.

Luke Schenn improved the defense. Was it worth the cost of JvR? MacDonald improved the defense. Was it worth the cost of a second rounder in a very deep draft? I'm going to say no in the first case, and that the jury is very much out in the second. Both were modest upgrades at high cost.

Let's not forget, that JvR was seen in a similar way to Schenn when he was traded. Inconsistent, only showing flashes...soft. They can not afford to repeat the JvR-Luke schenn deal, from strictly a value standpoint.

I'm not sold Grossmann gets you that much from anyone. Maybe Luke Schenn, but Grossmann, coming off that injury...I can't see teams being that eager to bite.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, 2nd and a 3rd when he was 27 making $1.6M... age 30 w/ ~$7M left on his deal and a poor bill of health probably means a late-round draft pick at best.

I'm not sold Grossmann gets you that much from anyone. Maybe Luke Schenn, but Grossmann, coming off that injury...I can't see teams being that eager to bite.
- Jsaquella

I think at the trade deadline he gets you some picks..he is a great guy to have in a playoff run and teams will overpay at that time...He didn't really cost us much a few years ago and has anchored the D very well...his shot blocking is critical for a team making a run as well...I think they should be able to get a 2nd and a 5th for him from the right team...and while I would like to see him still play here, that would be a good trade for the flyers.

Do you ever get tired of ripping on your fellow posters?


- Tomahawk

Can't let it get to you. Just treat it like an ass trolling from another team. ignore it.

I'm not sold Grossmann gets you that much from anyone. Maybe Luke Schenn, but Grossmann, coming off that injury...I can't see teams being that eager to bite.
- Jsaquella

Didn't Douglass Murray land the Sharks 2 2nds?