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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 19 @ 11:26 AM ET
There are good reasons.

The most obvious was the way Pronger played the game as opposed to both Jagr and Timo.

- 77rams



Pronger is physical, but he is also much bigger than Timonen, and Chelios to give another example.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Oct 19 @ 11:27 AM ET
Who is to say the flyers don't win Stanley Cup at least once during the last 3 seasons with a healthy Pronger? Maybe the JVR deal is never made if Pronger was healthy? So many what ifs that its all pointless speculation at this point. I will say I'm glad they got Pronger..... He was the most enjoyable player I've watched on the flyers in a long time and that 2010 run was amazing from the rangers shoot out, to the Boston comeback, to the Stanley cup finals. I don't think that happens without him.
- moylander


Fair.

I don't doubt a great many people thought it was a worthwhile trade. Some didn't. Both have their opinions. Both are legit.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:27 AM ET
Next question?
- Giroux_Is_God

When was the last time Vorecheck washed his jock strap? And, who's butt will G grab next?
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Oct 19 @ 11:32 AM ET
Is voracek the most dominated player with the puck besides Ovie
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 19 @ 11:33 AM ET
It's not hindsight when at the time ppl said this is gonna hurt us. It ALMOST worked but the fact remains that trade blew up in the flyers face. Right now we could really use lupul, who knows with Sbida, and at least one of those draft picks would have got u a roster player. As far as timmonen and Jagr being effective, yea they're effective but they're very limited too. I'm sorry but as much as I lved pronger as a player homer grossly overpaid.
- JoeRussomanno



Yeah I guess we could use another 2nd or 3rd line winger like Lupul, and another young defenseman who may or may not be able to crack the lineup like Sbisa. You can never have enough of those. John Moore (2009) first rounder was a real steal. As was Emerson Stem.

yeah, Ill take all of them over Pronger....
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:33 AM ET
Fair.

I don't doubt a great many people thought it was a worthwhile trade. Some didn't. Both have their opinions. Both are legit.

- 77rams

I think the trade was risky. They gave up a lot (obviously) but also went to the finals as a result. I said when it happened, if they don't win it all this is a bad trade. Well, they almost did, and if Pronger hadn't been hurt they may have. Certainly, we would not have seen as many ridiculous trades for D men as we have in the last few years. Overall I am glad they went for it, just as I was happy they offer sheeted Weber. I loved the Homer BIG gambles. History favours the bold IMHO. Sucks that we are suffering now (but that was a freak accident).
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:36 AM ET
Is voracek the most dominated player with the puck besides Ovie
- Winning

No

See: Sid, Subban, Kane, etc...
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 19 @ 11:37 AM ET
Is berube the worse coach in the nhl
- Winning


Does winning know the difference between worse and worst?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 19 @ 11:38 AM ET
Is that jvr trade the worse in team history
- Winning

Nah
McCrimmon for picks
Poulin for Linseman
Sharp for Ellison

all worse
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 19 @ 11:39 AM ET
When was the last time Vorecheck washed his jock strap? And, who's butt will G grab next?
- coffee junkie

Reply hazy try again
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 19 @ 11:40 AM ET
Is voracek the most dominated player with the puck besides Ovie
- Winning

Does not compute.

Why are you here? They won last night, you know.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:41 AM ET
Reply hazy try again
- Giroux_Is_God


Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 19 @ 11:42 AM ET

- ob18

coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:43 AM ET
Reply hazy try again
- Giroux_Is_God

Will the RJ for Hartnell trade be positive or negative for the Flyers both in the short and long term?

Ohhh, and any interest in Sekera via EK rumour?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 19 @ 11:44 AM ET
Yeah I guess we could use another 2nd or 3rd line winger like Lupul, and another young defenseman who may or may not be able to crack the lineup like Sbisa. You can never have enough of those. John Moore (2009) first rounder was a real steal. As was Emerson Stem.

yeah, Ill take all of them over Pronger....

- MBFlyerfan

I'm sure there's plenty of aging star players available, the flyers have a ton of youth, let's go hextall, we need to plan the parade.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:45 AM ET
Will the RJ for Hartnell trade be positive or negative for the Flyers both in the short and long term?

Ohhh, and any interest in Sekera via EK rumour?

- coffee junkie


Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Oct 19 @ 11:45 AM ET
Is mason the most overrated goalie in the metro
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 19 @ 11:45 AM ET
Will the RJ for Hartnell trade be positive or negative for the Flyers both in the short and long term?

Ohhh, and any interest in Sekera via EK rumour?

- coffee junkie

I think it'll end up washing out, all things considered, including RJ coming off the books sooner.

And meh. It'd be an upgrade I guess, but I don't put stock in his rumors pretty much ever until the big dogs start tweeting it as well.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 19 @ 11:46 AM ET
I think the trade was risky. They gave up a lot (obviously) but also went to the finals as a result. I said when it happened, if they don't win it all this is a bad trade. Well, they almost did, and if Pronger hadn't been hurt they may have. Certainly, we would not have seen as many ridiculous trades for D men as we have in the last few years. Overall I am glad they went for it, just as I was happy they offer sheeted Weber. I loved the Homer BIG gambles. History favours the bold IMHO. Sucks that we are suffering now (but that was a freak accident).
- coffee junkie

They offer sheet weber then fail to make the trade Nashville wanted all along. Swing and a miss
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:46 AM ET
Is mason the most overrated goalie in the metro
- Winning


Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 19 @ 11:48 AM ET

- ob18

I like your style
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:49 AM ET
I like your style
- Giroux_Is_God


You should
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:54 AM ET
I like your style
- Giroux_Is_God

Who is overrated in the metro?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 19 @ 11:56 AM ET
Will the RJ for Hartnell trade be positive or negative for the Flyers both in the short and long term?

Ohhh, and any interest in Sekera via EK rumour?

- coffee junkie


I think Sekera is a nice player, but he's a FA this offseason and will be one of the better Dmen thats traded this season. The price to acquire him then re-sign him before FA is just too much for a team with little cap space thats building for the future imo.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 19 @ 11:56 AM ET
I think it'll end up washing out, all things considered, including RJ coming off the books sooner.

And meh. It'd be an upgrade I guess, but I don't put stock in his rumors pretty much ever until the big dogs start tweeting it as well.

- Giroux_Is_God

Oh, agreed, EK is a jester. but would you have any interest? What is the most you would give up? Akeson and Shultz?
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