#FreeLaughton
- PhillaBully

Bellemare would need to move to wing with Vinny healthy soon.

Bellemare would need to move to wing with Vinny healthy soon.


- Feanor

Okay.

Get your stickered hat fetish outta here.
- jmatchett383

someone will eventually explain to me why its cool.

its absurd.

someone will eventually explain to me why its cool.

its absurd.
- stayinthefnnet

Just listen to these guys, it will all explain itself

#LetLaughtonKeepUpTheGoodPlayAndCallHimUpLaterOn
- jmatchett383

#IDontCareIamAImpatientFlyersFan
AndIWantToRuinHisCareerAsFastAsI
CanSoICanTradeHimAwayForAVeteran
DefenseManWhoWillGetHurtOrContract
EbolaAndWipeOutHalfTheTeam
PSLongetstHashTageEva

#IDontCareIamAImpatientFlyersFan
AndIWantToRuinHisCareerAsFastAsI
CanSoICanTradeHimAwayForAVeteran
DefenseManWhoWillGetHurtOrContract
EbolaAndWipeOutHalfTheTeam
PSLongetstHashTageEva
- PhillaBully

#Okay

What is the ratio of speculations to conjectures?
- jmatchett383

It's the same as the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns.

It's the same as the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns.
- Scoob

1 to 17? Damn.

#Okay
- jmatchett383

#good

On locker cleanout day 2012, Paul Holmgren flat out said they had an understanding with the Carle camp and it was for "below market value" of what Carle could get elsewhere.
- bmeltzer

That's pretty strong evidence. At least stronger evidence than the contrary.

Without tangible evidence of a verbal agreement, all conjecture and heresay...apparently.
- jmatchett383

Plaintiff's introduce their first witness...

That's pretty strong evidence. At least stronger evidence than the contrary.
- NickTheKid87

The whole Flyers/Cleary/Gagne thing never happened. Lack of physical evidence despite all kinds of statements and reports means there's no proof that it ever happened, so I will go against the grain and say it's all a myth.

On locker cleanout day 2012, Paul Holmgren flat out said they had an understanding with the Carle camp and it was for "below market value" of what Carle could get elsewhere.
- bmeltzer

I remember Holmgren saying that. I beleive that both sides at that point felt that a deal would get done. I don't beleive that they had a deal done in principle. I beleive that they could not come to an agreement during the season, and agreed to table it to the end of the season. And I think the Flyers decision to pursue Suter is what triggered Carle to look elsewhere.

The whole Flyers/Cleary/Gagne thing never happened. Not physical evidence despite all kinds of statements and reports. None of it ever happened.
- jmatchett383

Not only did it not happen, but I believe something else happened based on similar speculation and if you think otherwise than you are an uninformed dope.

It's the same as the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns.
- Scoob

I totally read that in stanleys voice.

That's pretty strong evidence. At least stronger evidence than the contrary.
- NickTheKid87

It's evidence of what Holmgren's thoughts were at the time. Things can change. We also saw that with the Gagne situation. A deal is not done until it is signed.

I like him, too. And honestly, if they could trade L. Schenn or Grossmann for him and sign him for 2 or 3 years at $4.5mm, Giddyap.

But he will cost more and likely demand a deal similar to MacDonald.
- Jsaquella

Jsaq- could we get Tyler Myers for both Schenns...or would it be equitable? Buffalo has cap room. It saves us about half a million. Or would we have to offer more? Next year :
Myers-Coburn
Streit-Morin
MacD-Ghost
Might not suck too bad.

It's evidence of what Holmgren's thoughts were at the time. Things can change. We also saw that with the Gagne situation. A deal is not done until it is signed.
- MJL

Holds more weight than anything else though.

It's evidence of what Holmgren's thoughts were at the time. Things can change. We also saw that with the Gagne situation. A deal is not done until it is signed.
- MJL

That is what a handshake deal is. A deal that is agreed upon by the individuals in principle but one that has yet to be committed to paper and finalized. Example:

"Briere, how'd you like 7 years at $6.5M with a full NMC?"
"Sounds good."
"Okay, cool. We just have to wait until July 1st."

The Flyers and Carle basically had a deal worked out, then the team decided to court Suter (whom they had no shot at getting but took their best shot) and told Carle to wait. At that point, they ended up with neither one.
- bmeltzer

That's my understanding, as well. I had read that the deal was worked out prior to the end of the season and the Flyers had to wait until July 1st because the Grossmann extension took up most of their remaining tagging space.

Grossmann was signed to the new deal after the trade deadline, meaning the only way to clear tagging space was to either run a guy through waivers and trade him or wait until after the playoffs and swing a deal. Until Wideman signed with Calgary on June 27th, there was really no need for Carle or the Flyers to change their mind on the handshake deal, was there? It's not as if Suter hitting UFA was any kind of secret.

A deal is not done until it is signed.
- MJL

Tell that to Larry Bertuzzi

Jsaq- could we get Tyler Myers for both Schenns...or would it be equitable? Buffalo has cap room. It saves us about half a million. Or would we have to offer more? Next year :
Myers-Coburn
Streit-Morin
MacD-Ghost
Might not suck too bad.
- section32

No idea. I know that reliable folks have reported that the Red Wings asked about Myers and the price was Anthony Mantha +. If that's the case, I'd have to guess they'd ask for more than the Schenns.

No idea. I know that reliable folks have reported that the Red Wings asked about Myers and the price was Anthony Mantha +. If that's the case, I'd have to guess they'd ask for more than the Schenns.
- Jsaquella

If that's their asking price, I doubt he moves.

That's my understanding, as well. I had read that the deal was worked out prior to the end of the season and the Flyers had to wait until July 1st because the Grossmann extension took up most of their remaining tagging space.

Grossmann was signed to the new deal after the trade deadline, meaning the only way to clear tagging space was to either run a guy through waivers and trade him or wait until after the playoffs and swing a deal. Until Wideman signed with Calgary on June 27th, there was really no need for Carle or the Flyers to change their mind on the handshake deal, was there? It's not as if Suter hitting UFA was any kind of secret.
- Jsaquella

Carle probably said "WHOA did you guys see Wideman's deal??? I want more $$$" and then Homer said "Hold on" and went after Suter. Carle was like "nvm I'm hitting the pool. Later...much" and signed with TB.

That is what a handshake deal is. A deal that is agreed upon by the individuals in principle but one that has yet to be committed to paper and finalized. Example:

"Briere, how'd you like 7 years at $6.5M with a full NMC?"
"Sounds good."
"Okay, cool. We just have to wait until July 1st."
- jmatchett383

Thanks, but I'm fully aware of what a handshake deal is. I don't think one existed. I think all that existed, is that they would table the negotiations until after the season, because they could not come to an agreement during the season. I think all that they agreed to was mutual interest, and that both sides felt the deal would get done in the off season.
I think Holmgren felt like he could get Carle to take less then what Carle wanted. And I think at some point, Holmgren changed course and decided to pursue Suter. And then Carle went to the market and took the TB deal.