Related yet totally unrelated question:

Is Patrick Kane the best purely offensive player in the NHL? I wouldn't have even mentioned it 2-3 years ago, but now, is he?
- jmatchett383

Hall, Stamkos, Segueinensne, Patrice Bergeron. Zarley Zalapski.

That, my friend, is referenced as a "short leash". And when it comes to Baby Schenn, I don't blame him one bit. I'm not a fan.
- Fast_Eddie_1

A short leash is one thing, but thus is a kid they have repeatedly stressed is untouchable, and the way they use him has done little to help his development.

I fully agree Schenn didn't look good, quite frankly, neither did Giroux or Voracek. But if you're going to give a kid a shot, make it more than a game and a half. I'm more worried about the long term development of Schenn than the short term aspect of a guy having to work out the kinks with little pre-season work.

I got here by the web not to good seasons there for bruins or flyers we will be good again but I do not think so for flyers we will see
Go Jesus!!!
- GodIsaCatholic

hi gic, how goes it

The teams! They are not fling as good as some would take to be happy with the teams
Jesus is or Savior
Anways good luck guts
- GodIsaCatholic

good post, A+

Related yet totally unrelated question:

Is Patrick Kane the best purely offensive player in the NHL? I wouldn't have even mentioned it 2-3 years ago, but now, is he?
- jmatchett383

Good question. There's definitely an argument to be made in his favor. One wonders how much he would produce if he had consistent line mates for more than five minutes.

Bottom line is that he easily makes anyone he plays with into a productive offensive player.

Related yet totally unrelated question:

Is Patrick Kane the best purely offensive player in the NHL? I wouldn't have even mentioned it 2-3 years ago, but now, is he?
- jmatchett383

Yes, simply because he never became a Flyer as he should have and therefore we can better wallow in our self-deprecating sadness.

That, my friend, is referenced as a "short leash". And when it comes to Baby Schenn, I don't blame him one bit. I'm not a fan.
- Fast_Eddie_1

That short leash turned into 20 minutes of icetime for Brayden Schenn the last two games. Ice time is determined by how well a player is playing. And B Schenn has been very good the last two games.

I think G and Voracek should be split up too.

But a simpler (ie. better) solution would be to drop Voracek to the 2nd line and keep G as 1C.
- bradleyc4

How about instead of splitting up two guys who play well together B. Schenn picks up his game and becomse a viable scoring option.

This team is flawed so until certain peices are gone(Vinny, Umberger for example) and prospects are ready(Laughton, Leirer, Abul-Kubel) I don't think there is really alot of great options. For me I think you will see a future lineup like this possibly or something to this effect. Can never know about possible FA or draft picks that come in.


Simmonds - Giroux - Voracek
Abul-Kubel - Couturier - Schenn(maybe)
Alderson - Laughton - Leirer
Rinaldo - Cousins/Bellemare - Raffl.

Raanta is starting tonight for Blackhawks. Not sure if that means anything but I'd take another Claude Giroux OT goal

Mason should just start drinking now, it will dull the pain!
- BiggE

I am sure both goalies have been meeting with the team psychiatrist during this road trip at least 2 sessions a day each!

Hall, Stamkos, Segueinensne, Patrice Bergeron. Zarley Zalapski.
- jak521

Stamkos is a better goal scorer. Seguin may have a case. Hall, haha. Bergeron is a better all-around player. Zalapski is a given, I wasn't including him because he's too obvious. I'd argue Kane is a better offensive player than Stamkos because his non-goal-scoring offensive capabilities are better than Stamkos'.

A shirt leash is one thing, but thus is a kid they have repeatedly stressed is untouchable, and the way they use him has done little to help his development.

I fully agree Schenn didn't look good, quite frankly, neither did Giroux or Voracek. But if you're going to give a kid a shot, make it more than a game and a half. I'm more worried about the long term development of Schenn than the short term aspect of a guy having to work out the kinks with little pre-season work.
- Jsaquella

Schenn had 20 minutes of icetime the last two games because he deserved it. The previous games, he did not deserve that icetime. And the changes that Berube made were beneficial to the team.

The teams! They are not fling as good as some would take to be happy with the teams
Jesus is or Savior
Anways good luck guts
- GodIsaCatholic

Go Sweet Little Baby Jesus!

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I find it strange that Berube is so quick to move B Schenn from the top line, but he'll keep combinations like Amac-Coburn and Schenn-VL-Simmonds together even if they aren't working.
- PhillySportsGuy

I personally don't think B. Schenn fits well with Giroux.

hi gic, how goes it
- -davies-

Ok
Lot of mean people on here

hi gic, how goes it
- -davies-

So.. if God is a Catholic


and Giroux is God.... then...

I personally don't think B. Schenn fits well with Giroux.
- Glak18

He might not. The trouble is, he really didn't fit with Lecavalier last year. His better play the last two games has come with Bellemare, a speedy, two way guy at center. What happens when Vinny comes back?

I'd just like to see the kid get consistent line mates/ situation and go from there.

How about instead of splitting up two guys who play well together B. Schenn picks up his game and becomse a viable scoring option.

This team is flawed so until certain peices are gone(Vinny, Umberger for example) and prospects are ready(Laughton, Leirer, Abul-Kubel) I don't think there is really alot of great options. For me I think you will see a future lineup like this possibly or something to this effect. Can never know about possible FA or draft picks that come in.


Simmonds - Giroux - Voracek
Abul-Kubel - Couturier - Schenn(maybe)
Alderson - Laughton - Leirer
Rinaldo - Cousins/Bellemare - Raffl.
- J35Bacher

There are options to try to improve the overall play of the team as a whole.

One of them would be to split up your top two possession forwards (Giroux and Voracek) and try to create two good possession lines. That should also help out the defense.

Moving Umberger and/or Vinny (when healthy) to the 4th line would also help.

He might not. The trouble is, he really didn't fit with Lecavalier last year. His better play the last two games has come with Bellemare, a speedy, two way guy at center. What happens when Vinny comes back?

I'd just like to see the kid get consistent line mates/ situation and go from there.
- Jsaquella

I'd like to see that also. But let's face it, Schenn didn't play well early in that spot. Although it's a small sample. But the changes Berube made, led to some improvements. In both Schenn's play, and by moving Raffl to the top line. So kudos to the coach for that. And I'm not going to criticize a coach for making changes when something isn't working. Nor will I ignore the improvements and progress that was made.
That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing Schenn reunited with the top line with his level of play the last two games, and see what happens.

Stamkos is a better goal scorer. Seguin may have a case. Hall, haha. Bergeron is a better all-around player. Zalapski is a given, I wasn't including him because he's too obvious. I'd argue Kane is a better offensive player than Stamkos because his non-goal-scoring offensive capabilities are better than Stamkos'.
- jmatchett383

Stamkos is the better purely offensive player imo. Younger too I think.

Kane
.34 Goals Avg (best season, 30)
.61 Asst Avg (58)
.96 PPG Avg (88)

Stammer
.57 GPG (best was 60)
.46 APG (47)
1.04 PPG (97 - and many more in the 90s)


While Kane makes great passes, stammer is far far and away the better goal scorer and offensive point getter. Both are fast, agile players. Stamkos plays more physically.

Raanta is starting tonight for Blackhawks. Not sure if that means anything but I'd take another Claude Giroux OT goal
- mcefalu

According to Joel Quenneville, it means Crawford has an upper body injury

Ok
Lot of mean people on here
- GodIsaCatholic

sorry buddy, just ignore the bad men

Trevor van rimmy. I wonder how he is making out.

There are options to try to improve the overall play of the team as a whole.

One of them would be to split up your top two possession forwards (Giroux and Voracek) and try to create two good possession lines. That should also help out the defense.

Moving Umberger and/or Vinny (when healthy) to the 4th line would also help.
- bradleyc4

I wouldn't have a problem splitting up Girooux and Voracek. But moving either Lecavalier or Umberger to the 4th line is a mistake in my opinion. Lecavalier looked strong before the injury, and the team misses his offensive presence. And Umberger is a good fit with Couturier and Read.

I personally don't think B. Schenn fits well with Giroux.
- Glak18

I criticize Baby Schenn as much as anyone and I don't think we have enough data to know this. Berube obviously disagrees and, if I'm not mistaken, so did Peter Laviolette, who I'm pretty sure had Schenn on the top line to start last season too, before he got poopcanned (maybe I'm misremembering).

The problem with Brayden Schenn is that I think he needs to play with people that complement what he does well. He's good at finding open spaces, he'll go to the net, and he's got a good shot. But, he doesn't skate well. And he really can't make his own shot. He's an OK passer.

At this point, I'd like to see them find a role for him and let him stay there for awhile.