You're comparing first line centers to Couturier. The Flyers first line center Giroux, who is the comparable player to Toews, Kopitar, and Backstrom, centers a top line.

And let's get one thing straight. Last game Couturier took 11 defensive zone draws in the game. He had 27 total shifts in the game.
- MJL

Did each of those shifts start with a face off?

I would take my chances with that, going forward. I don't know what you do with Vinny, but if the choice becomes selling low on Schenn vs. keeping Lecavalier, that isn't even a choice
- AllInForFlyers

What you do with Lecavalier is put him at center where he belongs. And leave B Schenn at LW.

I still think McDavid could be a great player, but Eichel fits better with the Flyers!

#SinkForEichel
- Glak18

I'd be ecstatic with either.

Coburn may get resigned as well, same with L. Schenn, but the problem is that's a lot of money for average or below average performance. That also hinders the team in other facets.
- Glak18

true. if you can resign coburn for similar money though, i still think thats more of a brick in the solution building than it is a problem.

luke schenn i just think is bad. flat and simple.

Did each of those shifts start with a face off?
- flyer_nutter

Nope.

true. if you can resign coburn for similar money though, i still think thats more of a brick in the solution building than it is a problem.

luke schenn i just think is bad. flat and simple.
- stayinthefnnet

The problem with Luke Schenn is not that he's bad. Because he's not. But what's not happening, is he is not pushing for icetime. He's not pushing to move past Grossmann to move up the depth chart and get more responsibility.

Nope.
- MJL

So that 27 is kind of a weird number when you consider he wasn't taking a face off each time. The 11 defensive zone starts are actual face offs no?

6 games in and Umberger is a line killer.
- MJL

Oui

So that 27 is kind of a weird number when you consider he wasn't taking a face off each time. The 11 defensive zone starts are actual face offs no?
- flyer_nutter

Why is it a weird number.

Did each of those shifts start with a face off?
- flyer_nutter

18 did. 2 of them came in the offensive zone. Neither of those two took place before there was 4 minutes left in the third period.

11 defensive zone starts(draws), 5 Neutral zone.

Oui
- PhillySportsGuy

6 games doesn't define a player. Streit was no good and was a bad signing around this time last year.

I'd be ecstatic with either.
- Jsaquella

Our Advanced Metrics Guru is Ian Anderson...

You just know we're gonna draft Cross Eyed Mary, or some kid out of juniors with locomotive breath or something.

18 did. 2 of them came in the offensive zone. Neither of those two took place before there was 4 minutes left in the third period.

11 defensive zone starts(draws), 5 Neutral zone.
- Jsaquella

Seems like 18 would be a better number to use instead of 27. I'm no numbers and stats lover though. Stepping away.

Uhh, that's a lot of empty seats in Pittsburgh.

Our Advanced Metrics Guru is Ian Anderson...

You just know we're gonna draft Cross Eyed Mary, or some kid out of juniors with locomotive breath or something.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I'd do more Tull song titles, but I don't know any

I'd rather have Eichel on Giroux wing!
- Glak18

You may also want Lawson Crouse or Pavel Zacha

Possibly. He's not the same kind of goal scorer, but the kid creates a ton of offense. He's got amazing moves, great stickhandler and playmaker, and he can score goals as well. He's a monster.
- Jsaquella

and yet there are some people on these boards that don't want him

Seems like 18 would be a better number to use instead of 27. I'm no numbers and stats lover though. Stepping away.
- flyer_nutter

Well a shift is any time a player jumps on the ice. A zone start is where play starts on the ice, after a stoppage

Seems like 18 would be a better number to use instead of 27. I'm no numbers and stats lover though. Stepping away.
- flyer_nutter

A better number to use for what? The only shifts that are counted in terms of zone starts are shifts that start with a faceoff.

Uhh, that's a lot of empty seats in Pittsburgh.
- hereticpride

i wouldn't want to watch the penguins either

The problem with Luke Schenn is not that he's bad. Because he's not. But what's not happening, is he is not pushing for icetime. He's not pushing to move past Grossmann to move up the depth chart and get more responsibility.
- MJL

if we want to get into the well hes not a finished product yet thing, then fine. there really isnt a way to quantify the whole will he get any better thing. but to me, i cant see any one thing that he does exceptionally well. im not saying he is strictl echl fodder, but i dont think he really should be viewed as a core piece or a priority. i think he is currently slightly overpaid as it is, and really is best suited as as a third pair guy. the fact that that the flyers have both him and grossmann is a detriment to me.

this isnt just crap on the flyers players, as i think there is actually quite a bit of talent on the team. but luke schenn isnt a piece i really would value at this point.

and we could be getting into semantics here, but I would take your description of his scenario and put it in the bad category. either he doesnt have it, and hes bad. or he has it, and hes not pushing, and to me thats even worse.

I'm confused.

I'm confused.
- flyer_nutter

It happens

You may also want Lawson Crouse or Pavel Zacha
- ob18

Is eichel more a goal scorer? What current pro would his game possibly project to?

true. if you can resign coburn for similar money though, i still think thats more of a brick in the solution building than it is a problem.

luke schenn i just think is bad. flat and simple.
- stayinthefnnet

Well every team needs veterans and ones that know the system already, Coburn would probably be the best of all of them to keep. Obviously in 3 years the team defense is not going to be all of the prospects. If the Flyers are lucky 2 of the prospects are in the lineup in 3 years.