WTF are you talking about? i base my opinion of eberle on his entire career, while habs fans base their opinion of pacioretty on his goal totals in one season.
- sensarmy_11

«he's put up more pts in less games than pacioretty has...........all while playing on a significantly worse team.» You mean this year? All of his career?

He has been playing with Hall and RNH, first picks overalls.

Eberle is a very good player, but to say mtl have nothing on their team is dumb. They had a 100 + points season last year.

If Eberle was RFA at the end of his contract, sure. But both will be UFAs in 2019-2020.
- wardancr

what's your point? my point was that one guy is 2 years older, in his prime, has had a full season more of games, plays on a better team, and still has less points (and only a few more goals) than the guy who hasn't reached his prime yet and is 2 years younger.

compare their numbers when pacioretty had the same number of games played as eberle...........this conversation becomes laughable.

besides, my original point was that some of the trade offers by habs fans were ridiculous.......... emelin + 2nd rd pick, eller + prospect..........come on man. that's the same as oilers offering petry and a 2nd for pacioretty. it's ridiculous.

eberle and pacioretty have almost identical value, and if oiler fans made the same proposals for pacioretty as habs fans are making for eberle, there would probably be riots in montreal..........or atleast by habs fans on this site.

You seem to be ignoring any valid points from the other side - Pacioretty has outscored Eberle twice. Total goals since they've been in the NHL (both four seasons - didnt count seasons they played hardly any games) is 103 for Pacioretty and 93 for Eberle.

Yes Edmonton is a far worse team - however Eberles most frequent line mates over the past few years are Taylor Hall and Nugent Hopkins. Which is far superior to what Pacioretty has played with in Desharnais and Gallagher/Erik Cole.

So yes these players are not leaps and bounds different in their ability however if i had the choice i would take the player that is scoring more goals with worse linemates on a better contract. I'll accept that he will score maybe a few less points (although play pacioretty with Hall & Nuge and i would bet he puts up more than he is currently).

At least try and use facts and not just troll.
- Joel_Eh

this ^

I would also like to point out that size is still important. And Pacioretty is a bigger player and doesn't always, but when he is playing his best drives the net with his speed.

Size and salary are very important factors.

The edmonton oilers shouldn't trade Eberle anyways, but whenever your hand is forced to make a trade like this you never come out on top. These trades rarely are a one for one scenery change.

Look at trades from the last 5 years. Specifically significant ones.
- Biggus Richardus

Their hand isn't 'forced' they need to upgrade in other areas but won't be taking Montreals scrubs and backup goalie

Their hand isn't 'forced' they need to upgrade in other areas but won't be taking Montreals scrubs and backup goalie
- Mr_Smokey

eller is a scrub

«he's put up more pts in less games than pacioretty has...........all while playing on a significantly worse team.» You mean this year? All of his career?

He has been playing with Hall and RNH, first picks overalls.

Eberle is a very good player, but to say mtl have nothing on their team is dumb. They had a 100 + points season last year.
- deadpoulet

please point out where i said anything even remotely close to that. if anything, i've said the complete opposite. pacioretty has had the advantage of playing on a significantly better team his entire career.

eller is a scrub
- Biggus Richardus

75% of the team are scrubs....

You seem to be ignoring any valid points from the other side - Pacioretty has outscored Eberle twice. Total goals since they've been in the NHL (both four seasons - didnt count seasons they played hardly any games) is 103 for Pacioretty and 93 for Eberle.

Yes Edmonton is a far worse team - however Eberles most frequent line mates over the past few years are Taylor Hall and Nugent Hopkins. Which is far superior to what Pacioretty has played with in Desharnais and Gallagher/Erik Cole.

So yes these players are not leaps and bounds different in their ability however if i had the choice i would take the player that is scoring more goals with worse linemates on a better contract. I'll accept that he will score maybe a few less points (although play pacioretty with Hall & Nuge and i would bet he puts up more than he is currently).

At least try and use facts and not just troll.
- Joel_Eh

That guy trolls Habs articles and just hates to hate. Can't argue with knobs like that. It's just not going to make sense to him/her as they are so full of their own sh!t they can't view any other logical opinion. Ignore him. He's too smart for hockeybuzz apparently.

75% of the team are scrubs....
- Mr_Smokey

now do the leafs

please point out where i said anything even remotely close to that. if anything, i've said the complete opposite. pacioretty has had the advantage of playing on a significantly better team his entire career.
- sensarmy_11

But Eberle played with better players. How much points would he get with Desharnais instead of RNH or Hall?

Galchenyuk is 4 years younger than Eberle but you don't mention that.
- deadpoulet

and that will be an important fact when and if his production comes close to what eberle's is..............right now it's not a factor.

eberle and pacioretty are very comparable because their numbers are very similar. one makes less, but one is younger.

galchenyuk clearly has a lot of potential, but right now he's not in the discussion as being better or even as good as eberle or pacioretty.

But Eberle played with better players. How much points would he get with Desharnais instead of RNH or Hall?
- deadpoulet

I think the important thing for us to discuss, isn't which player is better, but the fact that having both would be nice

now do the leafs
- Biggus Richardus

Nope

But Eberle played with better players. How much points would he get with Desharnais instead of RNH or Hall?
- deadpoulet

pacioretty had the advantage of playing with subban and markov..........that's also a pretty important consideration.

how many less points would pacioretty have if he was being fed the puck from the back end from guys like nick schultz and andrew ferrence?

it's a lot easier to put up points if you're team doesn't go "full retard" every time they try to get the puck out of their own zone...........regardless of who your linemates are.

That guy trolls Habs articles and just hates to hate. Can't argue with knobs like that. It's just not going to make sense to him/her as they are so full of their own sh!t they can't view any other logical opinion. Ignore him. He's too smart for hockeybuzz apparently.
- SmielmaN

please point out ONE SINGLE habs article i've ever trolled in?

i'm not too smart for hockeybuzz, but based on your post, i'm CLEARLY too smart for you.

I think the important thing for us to discuss, isn't which player is better, but the fact that having both would be nice
- Biggus Richardus

Would not want to trade Galchenyuk or Pacioretty to get him. The Oilers need a top defenseman coming back anyway and no, mtl is not about to trade Subban.

cause hes a good f'in player.
- JasonDh

You have so many good f'in players but somehow can never finish above last or second-last

That guy trolls Habs articles and just hates to hate. Can't argue with knobs like that. It's just not going to make sense to him/her as they are so full of their own sh!t they can't view any other logical opinion. Ignore him. He's too smart for hockeybuzz apparently.
- SmielmaN

I do get his point as far as if the Oil offered us Arco, Marincin and a 2nd for Pacioretty we'd say thats ridiculous. And i agree that what is generally being proposed isnt gonna get the deal done. Not sure how it became a debate over devaluing one player over another.

Realistically I think it would take Tinordi/bealieau, Plekanecs and a pick. And even then i dont know - do oiler fans think thats brutal? I feel like that solves your 2C for at least several years, you get a really strong D prospect that is NHL ready now and a pick.

EDIT: We still get the best player in the trade - and I'm not even saying do that trade but i think it would improve your standings this year. Not sure if Montreal would consider it as Pleks is doing really well and is a big part of the team.

Would not want to trade Galchenyuk or Pacioretty to get him. The Oilers need a top defenseman coming back anyway and no, mtl is not about to trade Subban.
- deadpoulet

pleks, beaulieu +

I do get his point as far as if the Oil offered us Arco, Marincin and a 2nd for Pacioretty we'd say thats ridiculous. And i agree that what is generally being proposed isnt gonna get the deal done. Not sure how it became a debate over devaluing one player over another.
Realistically I think it would take Tinordi/bealieau, Plekanecs and a pick. And even then i dont know - do oiler fans think thats brutal? I feel like that solves your 2C for at least several years, you get a really strong D prospect that is NHL ready now and a pick.

EDIT: We still get the best player in the trade - and I'm not even saying do that trade but i think it would improve your standings this year. Not sure if Montreal would consider it as Pleks is doing really well and is a big part of the team.
- Joel_Eh

i never once devalued pacioretty. i was simplying pointing out that the people who seemed to claim that a paccioretty for eberle stragiht up deal was a HUGE overpayment from the habs, were way out to lunch. patches and eberle have, IMO, virtually identical value..........whatever you guys think the price to get pacioretty would be, the price would be basically the same to get eberle.

pleks, beaulieu +
- Biggus Richardus

Beaulieu can't help them now and Pleks is too old.

They could get a top defenseman for Eberle (Oliver Ekman-Larsson?).

Beaulieu can't help them now and Pleks is too old.

They could get a top defenseman for Eberle (Oliver Ekman-Larsson?).
- deadpoulet

serious?

Beaulieu can't help them now and Pleks is too old.

They could get a top defenseman for Eberle (Oliver Ekman-Larsson?).
- deadpoulet

Beaulieu can't help them now and Pleks is too old.

They could get a top defenseman for Eberle (Oliver Ekman-Larsson?).
- deadpoulet

Sidney (frank)ing Crosby couldn't help them now.

- DDM-Coga